The Art of Diplomacy…

Keep doing the great work, lot of us have to much work in our job and/or not 
the skills (my case) to help you in this so interesting journey.

Thanx

Gerard

> On 14 Sep 2016, at 05:56, Chris Lattner via swift-users 
> <swift-users@swift.org <mailto:swift-users@swift.org>> wrote:
> 
> On Sep 13, 2016, at 5:34 PM, Shyamal Chandra <shyam...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:shyam...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> Here is a forum question that I posted a while back.  The latest post says 
>> to file a bug under the bug report.  
>> 
>> Here's the post:
>> 
>> https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/61953 
>> <https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/61953> (Playgrounds error)
> 
> Thanks for the link.  Contrary to your claims, it appears that you promptly 
> got a response from an Apple employee, and it appears that you didn’t follow 
> his instructions to file a radar in bugreporter.apple.com 
> <http://bugreporter.apple.com/>.
> 
> Now that Xcode 8 has shipped to the Mac App Store today, I’d suggest you 
> download that and try it.  There are a number of bugs that are fixed between 
> beta 6 and the final release, and that may include this one.
> 
>> I was doing something "simple" in Playgrounds and my version of Playgrounds 
>> doesn't function properly because it is emitting an error when I write 
>> bug-free code.  Why is Playgrounds so flaky?  Sometimes, it shows the output 
>> on the right side; sometime, it doesn’t.
> 
> Two simple and obvious answers come to mind: you are running 
> advertised-as-beta software, and even shipping software does have bugs.
> 
>> I have had mixed success with the bug reporter tool from Apple; most of the 
>> time, they ask for the system diagnostics and then, tell you to update your 
>> version.  Sometimes, they just close the issue and nothing happens.
> 
> 
> I understand that you claim to have had problems with 
> Radar/bugreporter.apple.com <http://bugreporter.apple.com/>, but again I can 
> see no evidence of you ever filing a bug in it (and you haven’t provided me 
> any radar numbers to cross reference), so there isn’t much I can do to help 
> you.  Needless to say, we do actually need the system diagnostics in order to 
> reproduce issues like this, as you found on the forum, your issue doesn’t 
> reproduce trivially for other folks.
> 
> 
> Finally, as others have pointed out, your approach on this thread hasn’t been 
> particularly constructive.  Despite your apparent expectation, Apple has not 
> signed up to fix any and every bug reported against Swift.  That said, we all 
> want to build a strong community, and if you are interested in working in a 
> helpful and productive way we would love for you to be part of that 
> community.  On the other hand, if you find that Swift on Linux isn’t ready 
> for you today and that you don’t want to invest effort in it, then perhaps it 
> is best for you to come back at some point later in the future.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -Chris
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Shyamal Chandra
>> shyam...@gmail.com <mailto:shyam...@gmail.com>
>> Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/shyamalc 
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/shyamalc>
>> Phone: 620-719-9064
>> 
>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 7:02 PM, Chris Lattner <clatt...@apple.com 
>> <mailto:clatt...@apple.com>> wrote:
>> On Sep 12, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Shyamal Chandra via swift-users 
>> <swift-users@swift.org <mailto:swift-users@swift.org>> wrote:
>> > Hope you are doing well!
>> >
>> > Swift is very volatile language that keeps on changing with every new 
>> > version of Xcode.  When you are trying to run old code with different 
>> > syntax, you run into problems because the code is no longer compatible.  
>> > Instead of moving onto Swift 3, 4, and 5 (with different syntax), why 
>> > don't you standardize the library and language operations and functions 
>> > for the different package and frameworks included with Xcode
>> 
>> The subject line of this message seems like it is intended to be 
>> provocative, not helpful.
>> 
>> Despite that, you’ll be happy to know that the goal of Swift 4 is to be 
>> source compatible with Swift 3, so the concerns that you are complaining 
>> about are historic, not future problems.
>> 
>> > because I have already submitted multiple bugs to the bug report that are 
>> > with the official release of Xcode and I am very disappointed with the 
>> > software quality.
>> 
>> I don’t see any radars filed by you in the system, but perhaps they are just 
>> under a different name.  In any case, thank you for filing bugs, we do read 
>> and care about them!  Please send me the radar numbers (off list if you 
>> prefer) and I’ll take a look.
>> 
>> -Chris
>> 
>> 
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