On Nov 1, 2016, at 9:50 PM, Shyamal Chandra <shyam...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Chris, > > First of all, there is tremendous instability with Xcode Playgrounds.
Hi Shyamal, The vast majority of the instability of playgrounds is a result of the compiler code which is already open source. I look forward to you sending in patches to improve Swift: if you’re looking for a good starting place, there are a large number of submitted bugs in JIRA which we’d love your help on, and a large number of known crashers tracked in the validation suite. -Chris > I paste the same simple code into Xcode Playgrounds; sometimes, it works and > sometimes, it doesn't work. Why don't you make the Playgrounds open source > so I can investigate? You should tell this to Tim Cook as soon as possible. > I wanted to add Swift to the list of languages in Juypter for workbook usage. > If a project is closed-source, I cannot do anything without looking at > documented code. The documentation for Xcode Playgrounds is not there. For > the XCPlayground library, there is just an API call reference that is > sparsely documented. I can wait for infinity for a response on the forums > but Apple should provide better support rather than charging money for each > technical support call. This is disappointing since Apple was founded to > make computing easy, not hard on purpose, making code writing a black art. > > Thanks! > > Best, > > Shyamal Chandra > shyam...@gmail.com <mailto:shyam...@gmail.com> > Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/shyamalc > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/shyamalc> > Phone: 620-719-9064 > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 10:56 PM, Chris Lattner <clatt...@apple.com > <mailto:clatt...@apple.com>> wrote: > On Sep 13, 2016, at 5:34 PM, Shyamal Chandra <shyam...@gmail.com > <mailto:shyam...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Hi Chris, >> >> Here is a forum question that I posted a while back. The latest post says >> to file a bug under the bug report. >> >> Here's the post: >> >> https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/61953 >> <https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/61953> (Playgrounds error) > > Thanks for the link. Contrary to your claims, it appears that you promptly > got a response from an Apple employee, and it appears that you didn’t follow > his instructions to file a radar in bugreporter.apple.com > <http://bugreporter.apple.com/>. > > Now that Xcode 8 has shipped to the Mac App Store today, I’d suggest you > download that and try it. There are a number of bugs that are fixed between > beta 6 and the final release, and that may include this one. > >> I was doing something "simple" in Playgrounds and my version of Playgrounds >> doesn't function properly because it is emitting an error when I write >> bug-free code. Why is Playgrounds so flaky? Sometimes, it shows the output >> on the right side; sometime, it doesn’t. > > Two simple and obvious answers come to mind: you are running > advertised-as-beta software, and even shipping software does have bugs. > >> I have had mixed success with the bug reporter tool from Apple; most of the >> time, they ask for the system diagnostics and then, tell you to update your >> version. Sometimes, they just close the issue and nothing happens. > > > I understand that you claim to have had problems with > Radar/bugreporter.apple.com <http://bugreporter.apple.com/>, but again I can > see no evidence of you ever filing a bug in it (and you haven’t provided me > any radar numbers to cross reference), so there isn’t much I can do to help > you. Needless to say, we do actually need the system diagnostics in order to > reproduce issues like this, as you found on the forum, your issue doesn’t > reproduce trivially for other folks. > > > Finally, as others have pointed out, your approach on this thread hasn’t been > particularly constructive. Despite your apparent expectation, Apple has not > signed up to fix any and every bug reported against Swift. That said, we all > want to build a strong community, and if you are interested in working in a > helpful and productive way we would love for you to be part of that > community. On the other hand, if you find that Swift on Linux isn’t ready > for you today and that you don’t want to invest effort in it, then perhaps it > is best for you to come back at some point later in the future. > > Thanks, > > -Chris > >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> Best, >> >> Shyamal Chandra >> shyam...@gmail.com <mailto:shyam...@gmail.com> >> Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/shyamalc >> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/shyamalc> >> Phone: 620-719-9064 <tel:620-719-9064> >> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 7:02 PM, Chris Lattner <clatt...@apple.com >> <mailto:clatt...@apple.com>> wrote: >> On Sep 12, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Shyamal Chandra via swift-users >> <swift-users@swift.org <mailto:swift-users@swift.org>> wrote: >> > Hope you are doing well! >> > >> > Swift is very volatile language that keeps on changing with every new >> > version of Xcode. When you are trying to run old code with different >> > syntax, you run into problems because the code is no longer compatible. >> > Instead of moving onto Swift 3, 4, and 5 (with different syntax), why >> > don't you standardize the library and language operations and functions >> > for the different package and frameworks included with Xcode >> >> The subject line of this message seems like it is intended to be >> provocative, not helpful. >> >> Despite that, you’ll be happy to know that the goal of Swift 4 is to be >> source compatible with Swift 3, so the concerns that you are complaining >> about are historic, not future problems. >> >> > because I have already submitted multiple bugs to the bug report that are >> > with the official release of Xcode and I am very disappointed with the >> > software quality. >> >> I don’t see any radars filed by you in the system, but perhaps they are just >> under a different name. In any case, thank you for filing bugs, we do read >> and care about them! Please send me the radar numbers (off list if you >> prefer) and I’ll take a look. >> >> -Chris >> >> > >
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