you know where this has been written down? -steven
> -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Im > Auftrag von Pascal Gloor > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Dezember 2002 14:14 > An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Betreff: Re: [swinog] Swiss gov strikes again / Canton Vaud > > > Correct me if I am wrong, but some years ago it has been defined that ISPs > may ONLY get such orders from the Federal DBA Departement. > We do not have to follow technically stupid orders given my a Cantonal > Judge. The Judge must have to contact this federal deparement which will > then contact us. I wont follow this order as I consider it as > non-conform to > the established procedure. > > P. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Manuel Wenger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 2:03 PM > Subject: R: [swinog] Swiss gov strikes again / Canton Vaud > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > we haven't received such a letter (yet). so i rather don't care what > they say. > > > but even if we would receive such a letter, this might be a proposal > 'empfehlung' > > > and not a 'must do'. > > > > We've received this letter. It's definitely a "must do", not a > "proposal". > In french it says "Le juge [...] ordonne [...]". This means the judge > *orders* something: it's not an option. It's not a matter of free > interpretation of a law. If a judge orders something to a specific Swiss > company you normally have to do it (or am I wrong?). Of course, the legal > decision might be "morally wrong", but that doesn't mean we can > just ignore > it. > > > > What they want us to do is to block the following sites and their > subdirectories on our proxies and/or DNS servers: > > - http://www.appel-au-peuple-org > > - http://de.geocities.com/justicecontrol > > - http://www.swiss-corruption.com > > If and only if the blocking does not disrupt web access to other pages > hosted on the same servers ("pour autant que cette mesure ne touche que le > site litigieux"). This means that the Geocities page can only be > blocked on > proxies, not on the DNS server. Providers without proxy simply > cannot block > this page. > > > > If we block these sites we're not doing anything against freedom of > speech. This decision is based "sur plainte de Michel Tinguely contre > Gerhard Ulrich [...] pour diffamation, calomnie, injure et tentative de > contrainte". It's a single person which is being offended by > these websites: > it's not political censorship. > > > > Failure to block these sites will be punished according to > article 292 of > the swiss penal code, with fines or emprisonment. We want to avoid that I > guess :) > > > > Regards > > > > Ing. Manuel Wenger > > Chief Technology Officer > > Ticinocom SA > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________ > > Ticinocom SA - Via dei Pioppi 10 - 6616 Losone > > Tel 0844 007070 - Fax 0844 007071 > > http://www.ticino.com > > ---------------------------------------------- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/ > ---------------------------------------------- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
