Hi Seegras,

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Peter Keel wrote:

> * on the Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 07:52:23PM +0100, Kurt A. Schumacher wrote:
> > and every SMTP port 25 traffic (or whatever required in the future) can
> > perfectly be forwarded to a designated server WITHOUT a possibility for
> > an intervention on the so called "customer" side.
>
> Look, I wouldn't want my ISP to do that kind of bollocks, like
> auto-proxying me. So I sure as hell take care that the ISP I work
> for doesn't do such. The "so called" customer-side may very well
> have its own professionals,

*MAY*... this is probably the point. Today nothing is easier than
getting a *dsl link and a SMTP tool sending out tons of spam or
whatever weird sh**. There are indeed customers who don't make
trouble because they perfectly *know* what they do and have a real
interest in getting spammers out of their range. But there are some
black sheeps around who do not care at all if there's no abuse
account or whatever - the're just not interested. We could as well
go one step further and check which customers and or ISPs have a
reverse-DNS set up... I know many who don't at all.... There are
many things which are just done - and are obviously wrong....

> who really do not like being baby-
> sitted (or big-brothered...).

Well.... but there are indeed some who absolutely NEED to be
baby-sitted... and now the question: Is it simpler and easier to let
them first create trouble - or wouldn't it make more sense in first
locking them down to a minimum needed - and opening by request??
It's about the same amount of time needed in theory - in practice,
you don't have to mess around with "noisy" and annoying things like
spam coming from your own customers...

> That's why I object against such
> blockades.

I object against such blocades, too. But sometimes - the longer the
more - I'd feel like buying a phaser or two...

I've done some statistics lately on my mailserver... at a overall of
about 14'000 E-Mails being sent to me, about 900 passed the
spam-wall... imagine... most of the E-Mail traffic actually produced
is spam, spam, spam and spam.... it's a real pity... but as long as
there's almost no handy possibility in getting those people and
belonging them for what they're doing...

CU
tobias

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