even better than the spam-discussion is the one about children pornography... Blocher is obviously considering of making the providers responsible for all content which is going through their lines:
Blocher Christoph, Bundesrat: Zur Frage der Internetp�dophilie m�chte ich Folgendes sagen: (...) Es gilt aber, die Entwicklung in diesem Bereich weiter im Auge zu behalten und auch abzukl�ren, ob diese Revision des Strafgesetzbuches richtig ist oder ob sie versch�rft werden m�sste. Was die strafrechtliche Verantwortung der Provider betrifft, k�nnen vors�tzlich handelnde Autoren, die Hosting-Provider und die reinen Vermittler, f�r ihre T�terschaft oder Teilnahme an solchen Delikten strafrechtlich erfasst werden, sofern sie - und das ist die Einschr�nkung - in der Schweiz handeln. Die Rechtspflege kann und soll Provider in solchen F�llen strafrechtlich zur Verantwortung ziehen. Zurzeit wird gepr�ft, ob angesichts der Komplexit�t und des Auslandbezuges solcher F�lle die strafrechtliche Verantwortung der Provider neu zu definieren ist.(...) This is kind of wishy-washy, but in my understanding, he wants to punish ISPs if children pornography is downloaded through their lines. On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:30:09 +0200 Fabian Wenk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Andre > > Andre Oppermann wrote: > > > The only information I was able to get was a > > snippet of the discussion where they were talking > > about the 'responsibility' of the ISPs regarding > > SPAM. Doesn't sound good for us I'm afraid. I guess > > the ISP will be required to'block' SPAM for > > customers. If he doesn't the customer can sue the > > ISP. How fucked up is that??? > > That's for sure the wrong way. How can an ISP decide > if this mail for the customer is spam or not? > > The only thing a ISP can do is to provide an > (customer tunable) spamfilter. And also most mail > clients today can do filtering based on bayesian > filters. Each customer gets his personal spam, this > can not be 100% filtered at the ISP. > > See on [1] what we recommand to our customers (users) > to keep there spam level low. > > [1] http://nic.phys.ethz.ch/news/1088679595/ > > Ok, it is a little bit different at our place, the > customers are our co-worker of the Deparment of > Physics, and emails taged as spam are not deleted but > stored on the mailserver. If a user is missing some > emails we are able to search. > > In an ISP environment it would be the best just to > tag the emails and deliver to the customer, and the > customer can to the decision what he want to do with > his "spam". > > On the Cyrus IMAPD I'm running on the non-profit mail > and web server (for friends and family [2]) I do the > spamfiltering with SpamAssassin with the "report_safe > 1" and the default 5.0 points. Sieve can filter mails > with "X-Spam-Flag: YES" and can be deliverd to a > subfolder and used with IMAP or webmail, or if they > prefer pop3 they can to the filtering in there mail > client. > > At the moment I have implementet SA in the Sendmail > Milter with only one global bayesian DB, which is not > the best solution but works well with a smaller user > base (false positives happen seldom), but will not > work in a true ISP environment. > > [2] http://www.home4u.ch/ > > > I would never sue my ISP for spam, but probably I > would sue him for not deliver emails to me which are > addressed to me, even if it is (or looked like) spam. > For me this approach goes into censorship, even if it > is potentially unwanted spam. > > The Swiss Post is also bound to deliver personal to > me addressed snail mail, even if it is a > "Probexemplar" including a invoice for the K-Tipp I > never have ordred. > > > bye > Fabian > _______________________________________________ > swinog mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.init7.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog > -- Remark: Due to security reasons, we are not working with Microsoft-Products but try to convert all documents in a way that you should be able to open them. If you should have difficulties opening our attachements, please report to us what program you use. We then will convert the attachement(s) and resend them to you. _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.init7.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
