Unlike having a minor problem where an alternative translation of one verse can
be relegated to a footnote,
Rahlf's LXX presents a major difficulty to SWORD by having alternatives for
whole books.
This cannot simply be solved in OSIS and still have a single module.
I think it requires two modules A & B.
The B module need not include the non-duplicated books.
Has anyone got a better solution?
David
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On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 13:50, Cyrille <lafricai...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Le 07/01/2018 à 14:38, David Haslam a écrit :
>
>> I was referring to the fact that Rahlf's has 2 different versions for some
>> books.
>
> Ah ok, yes I see this two different versions of some books. Then you propose
> to create 2 modules? Or Osis propose an option to add the two translation?
>
>> I wasn't referring to the IMP file you generated from the existing module
>> using mod2imp.
>>
>> David
>>
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>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 09:28, Cyrille <lafricai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Le 07/01/2018 à 10:06, David Haslam a écrit :
>>>
>>>> Cyrille,
>>>>
>>>> Even if you build the module from IMP using imp2vs, any duplicated verses
>>>> will be overwritten by the occurrence in the second instance.
>>>
>>> Which module are you talking about? What I did: I downloaded the Lxxm file
>>> I processed with the lxxm.jar script, the result was a brand new imp file.
>>> With which I tried to create a new module with imp2vs, but nothing is
>>> displayed in xiphos. Maybe you can test on your computer.
>>> That's where I am with lxxm sources.
>>> As for my module. I can now, if you validate my proposal, create a new
>>> module for the LXX from the Rahlfs edition, with the accents, but without
>>> the morphology and the numbers of strong.
>>>
>>>> The module would thus lose content that exists in the source text.
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
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>>>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 07:33, Cyrille <lafricai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 21:19, David Haslam a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> Now that you understand that, does this change anything regarding the
>>>>>> proposed three new catholic lit av11ns ?
>>>>>
>>>>> No because for the Catholic we have not to do a "compromise" of different
>>>>> version, all version are the same.
>>>>>
>>>>> For LXX, I don't understand exactly what to do with the LXXM.imp file.
>>>>> For this reason I propose to create a new module with all the LXX books
>>>>> from Rahlfs version (Or you can give me the way to use the LXXM.imp :) ).
>>>>> If someone desire to have the Strong and Morpho he can still install the
>>>>> "old" module.
>>>>> After, if someone can add to the new LXX osis file, strong and he can use
>>>>> this new source file.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards, David
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 20:09, Cyrille <lafricai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 20:51, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Cyrille,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you taking into account my comment about our v11ns being supersets
>>>>>>>> from multiple Bibles and the comments at the beginning of the LXX v11n?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No sorry I missed it! Ok it's clear. I understand well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> // This is a compromise versification system, intended to allow
>>>>>>>> encoding of Bibles using a number of slightly varying LXX-based
>>>>>>>> versification systems. In particular, it was produced in consultation
>>>>>>>> with OTs:
>>>>>>>> // Rahlfs', Swete's, Tischendorf's, & Thomson's editiNOtions
>>>>>>>> // R. H. Charles' & James H. Charlesworth's anthologies of Apocrypha &
>>>>>>>> Pseudepigrapha
>>>>>>>> // Henry E. J. Howard's Pentateuch and R. R. Ottley's Isaiah
>>>>>>>> translations from the LXX
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> // In addition to the LXX OT, the GNT has been included in this system
>>>>>>>> to facilitate production of modern Bibles such as the OSB, which are
>>>>>>>> translated from the LXX but include the NT as well. The following NTs
>>>>>>>> were consulted in producing this versification system:
>>>>>>>> // Antoniades' Patriarchal GNT and its translation, the EOB
>>>>>>>> // the NKJV (OSB NT) & NRSV translations
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> // All of these Bibles & texts should be accomodated by this
>>>>>>>> versification definition without requiring that any extra verses be
>>>>>>>> appended; as a consequence, no Bible will include every verse of this
>>>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 01/06/2018 12:47 PM, Cyrille wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 20:13, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> These v11ns are not in the sources because we are still researching.
>>>>>>>>>> But since these have been double checked to printed editions,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have the printing edition!! And this report is about the printing
>>>>>>>>> edition, not about the doc file. But the doc file correspond exactly
>>>>>>>>> to the printing edition.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I highly doubt whatever 'errors' you see are actually errors in the
>>>>>>>>>> v11n, but rather a bad source text. I am sorry for speculating, but
>>>>>>>>>> I know these v11ns were checked and verified by a second individual
>>>>>>>>>> against a printed edition and also know there is a ton of low
>>>>>>>>>> quality texts online which claim to be things which they are not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The check was not good done.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> These are simply my suspicions without having the time now to put in
>>>>>>>>>> the research. I hope you find a way to check and confirm.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then I can confirm this :
>>>>>>>>> The current canon_LXX.h and the LXX,rahlfs.h don't match with the
>>>>>>>>> printing edition, I have with me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Troy
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 01/06/2018 12:06 PM, Cyrille wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 18:36, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Cyrille,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I just did a brief diff between the canon_lxx.h and the
>>>>>>>>>>>> canon_lxx-super.h I sent you in my previous email, and the
>>>>>>>>>>>> differences don't look like anything useful. I must be mistaken
>>>>>>>>>>>> about what this file is. Have a read of the comments in the file
>>>>>>>>>>>> I send and those in the canon_lxx.h included in 1.8.0. They are
>>>>>>>>>>>> very similar, but the *-super.h v11n includes this comment near
>>>>>>>>>>>> the end of the header:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "This is not intended for critical editions that separately encode
>>>>>>>>>>>> variant traditions of Joshua, Judges, Tobit, etc. that are already
>>>>>>>>>>>> served by the Rahlfs versification system (q.v.)."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not sure to what the "Rahlfs versification system (q.v.)"
>>>>>>>>>>>> refers, nor the /quod vide/ at the end of the reference.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I could possibly refer to the analysis of Rahlfs in the LXX v11n
>>>>>>>>>>>> folder I send to you earlier, specifically here, but I am not sure:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/canon_rahlfs.h
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My question is why this v11n are not in the sources? And I compare
>>>>>>>>>>> the Rahlfs.h, it's not good... still a lot of issues. I ready to
>>>>>>>>>>> perform it. Please let me know the good way to help.
>>>>>>>>>>> But it clear for me that for the current source I have, it's not
>>>>>>>>>>> possible to use the current LXX v11n.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But I do not see any accommodation for alternate traditions in
>>>>>>>>>>>> there. I may need to go search old emails to dig up the
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussions on this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Troy
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 01/06/2018 09:36 AM, Cyrille wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 17:16, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Cyrille,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just a few comments which I hope will clear up a few things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The sword-tools SVN repo needs to be checked out to your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer before you can run the convert.sh for CCAT. The repo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contains the .jar file you asked about. You cannot just download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the individual convert.sh script.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok It's clear. I need to clone it with hg? The user is this from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the automatic email send? If it is this email I can't find it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> again :-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SWORD versifications are often a superset for multiple Bibles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The SWORD engine provides a facility for frontends to easily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skip empty entries. Thus, when you discover that a chapter here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or a chapter there has too many verses, it is probably that way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to support another Bible which has more verses for that chapter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LXX v11n has been researched extensively by Chris and others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are many issues regarding the LXX which are not easily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resolved, e.g., Rahlfs providing two textual traditions of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same book in parallel with different versifications. I h
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> research for LXX in general can be found here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK but what to do?? Is it possible to use the Rahlfs with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> osis2mod? Because Rahlfs is not the current one. I have the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rahlfs text. If I use the current LXX v11n with my text I will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have really a lot of issues!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Troy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On January 6, 2018 9:01:01 AM MST, Cyrille
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [<lafricai...@gmail.com>](mailto:lafricai...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Before to work on a new module for the LXX, I decided to verify
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current LXX v11n. And what was my surprise discovering many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> errors!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please can you give me the list of the current modules using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LXX v11n?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will propose a new with correction, some books give me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worries, like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Esther, which contains a versification in letter, I will make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposal once my verification is finished. I work with the A.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rahlfs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (maybe the current LXX v11n was made with an other ?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, Br Cyrille
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