Le 07/01/2018 à 15:42, David Haslam a écrit : > Cyrille, > > As yet, CrossWire does not distribute a module called FreVulgGlaire. > > However, I have done some text development in GitHub for the > VulgGlaire repo of Marjorie Burghart. > Out of that should eventually come a SWORD module submission. > I already made a preliminary module for testing purposes. > > Is this what you had in mind? YES :) FreVulgGlaire! > > Best regards, > > David > > Sent from ProtonMail Mobile > > > On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 14:07, Cyrille <lafricai...@gmail.com > <mailto:lafricai...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> Le 07/01/2018 à 14:59, David Haslam a écrit : >>> Unlike having a minor problem where an alternative translation of >>> one verse can be relegated to a footnote, >>> Rahlf's LXX presents a major difficulty to SWORD by having >>> alternatives for whole books. >> >> Not for all books, but for Judge, Tobit and Daniel (Suzanne and Bel). >> I saw in the Vulglaire module something like 2 translation? >>> >>> This cannot simply be solved in OSIS and still have a single module. >>> >>> I think it requires two modules A & B. >>> >>> The B module need not include the non-duplicated books. >>> >>> Has anyone got a better solution? >> >> Ok I consider now I can pressed to a new module creation, for LXX, >> with the current v11n. The source will be the Rahlfs text. If another >> solution is not found, I will creat 2 modules for each different texts. >>> >>> David >>> >>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 13:50, Cyrille <lafricai...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:lafricai...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Le 07/01/2018 à 14:38, David Haslam a écrit : >>>>> I was referring to the fact that Rahlf's has 2 different versions >>>>> for some books. >>>> Ah ok, yes I see this two different versions of some books. Then >>>> you propose to create 2 modules? Or Osis propose an option to add >>>> the two translation? >>>>> >>>>> I wasn't referring to the IMP file you generated from the existing >>>>> module using mod2imp. >>>>> >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 09:28, Cyrille <lafricai...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:lafricai...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Le 07/01/2018 à 10:06, David Haslam a écrit : >>>>>>> Cyrille, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Even if you build the module from IMP using imp2vs, any >>>>>>> duplicated verses will be overwritten by the occurrence in the >>>>>>> second instance. >>>>>> Which module are you talking about? What I did: I downloaded the >>>>>> Lxxm file I processed with the lxxm.jar script, the result was a >>>>>> brand new imp file. With which I tried to create a new module >>>>>> with imp2vs, but nothing is displayed in xiphos. Maybe you can >>>>>> test on your computer. >>>>>> That's where I am with lxxm sources. >>>>>> As for my module. I can now, if you validate my proposal, create >>>>>> a new module for the LXX from the Rahlfs edition, with the >>>>>> accents, but without the morphology and the numbers of strong. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The module would thus lose content that exists in the source text. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> David >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 07:33, Cyrille <lafricai...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:lafricai...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 21:19, David Haslam a écrit : >>>>>>>>> Now that you understand that, does this change anything >>>>>>>>> regarding the proposed three new catholic lit av11ns ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No because for the Catholic we have not to do a "compromise" of >>>>>>>> different version, all version are the same. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For LXX, I don't understand exactly what to do with the >>>>>>>> LXXM.imp file. For this reason I propose to create a new >>>>>>>> module with all the LXX books from Rahlfs version (Or you can >>>>>>>> give me the way to use the LXXM.imp :) ). If someone desire to >>>>>>>> have the Strong and Morpho he can still install the "old" module. >>>>>>>> After, if someone can add to the new LXX osis file, strong and >>>>>>>> he can use this new source file. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best regards, David >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 20:09, Cyrille <lafricai...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>> <mailto:lafricai...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 20:51, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Cyrille, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Are you taking into account my comment about our v11ns being >>>>>>>>>>> supersets from multiple Bibles and the comments at the >>>>>>>>>>> beginning of the LXX v11n? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No sorry I missed it! Ok it's clear. I understand well. >>>>>>>>>>> // This is a compromise versification system, intended to allow >>>>>>>>>>> encoding of Bibles using a number of slightly varying LXX-based >>>>>>>>>>> versification systems. In particular, it was produced in >>>>>>>>>>> consultation with OTs: >>>>>>>>>>> // Rahlfs', Swete's, Tischendorf's, & Thomson's editiNOtions >>>>>>>>>>> // R. H. Charles' & James H. Charlesworth's anthologies of >>>>>>>>>>> Apocrypha & Pseudepigrapha >>>>>>>>>>> // Henry E. J. Howard's Pentateuch and R. R. Ottley's Isaiah >>>>>>>>>>> translations from the LXX >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> // In addition to the LXX OT, the GNT has been included in this >>>>>>>>>>> system to facilitate production of modern Bibles such as the OSB, >>>>>>>>>>> which are translated from the LXX but include the NT as well. The >>>>>>>>>>> following NTs were consulted in producing this versification system: >>>>>>>>>>> // Antoniades' Patriarchal GNT and its translation, the EOB >>>>>>>>>>> // the NKJV (OSB NT) & NRSV translations >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> // All of these Bibles & texts should be accomodated by this >>>>>>>>>>> versification definition without requiring that any extra verses be >>>>>>>>>>> appended; as a consequence, no Bible will include every verse of >>>>>>>>>>> this system. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 01/06/2018 12:47 PM, Cyrille wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 20:13, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> These v11ns are not in the sources because we are still >>>>>>>>>>>>> researching. But since these have been double checked to >>>>>>>>>>>>> printed editions, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have the printing edition!! And this report is about the >>>>>>>>>>>> printing edition, not about the doc file. But the doc file >>>>>>>>>>>> correspond exactly to the printing edition. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I highly doubt whatever 'errors' you see are actually >>>>>>>>>>>>> errors in the v11n, but rather a bad source text. I am >>>>>>>>>>>>> sorry for speculating, but I know these v11ns were checked >>>>>>>>>>>>> and verified by a second individual against a printed >>>>>>>>>>>>> edition and also know there is a ton of low quality texts >>>>>>>>>>>>> online which claim to be things which they are not. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The check was not good done. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> These are simply my suspicions without having the time now >>>>>>>>>>>>> to put in the research. I hope you find a way to check >>>>>>>>>>>>> and confirm. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Then I can confirm this : >>>>>>>>>>>> The current canon_LXX.h and the LXX,rahlfs.h don't match >>>>>>>>>>>> with the printing edition, I have with me. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Troy >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 01/06/2018 12:06 PM, Cyrille wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 18:36, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Cyrille, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just did a brief diff between the canon_lxx.h and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> canon_lxx-super.h I sent you in my previous email, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the differences don't look like anything useful. I must >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be mistaken about what this file is. Have a read of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments in the file I send and those in the canon_lxx.h >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> included in 1.8.0. They are very similar, but the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *-super.h v11n includes this comment near the end of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> header: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "This is not intended for critical editions that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately encode variant traditions of Joshua, Judges, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tobit, etc. that are already served by the Rahlfs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> versification system (q.v.)." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not sure to what the "Rahlfs versification system >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (q.v.)" refers, nor the /quod vide/ at the end of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reference. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could possibly refer to the analysis of Rahlfs in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LXX v11n folder I send to you earlier, specifically >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here, but I am not sure: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/canon_rahlfs.h >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My question is why this v11n are not in the sources? And >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I compare the Rahlfs.h, it's not good... still a lot of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues. I ready to perform it. Please let me know the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> good way to help. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it clear for me that for the current source I have, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's not possible to use the current LXX v11n. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I do not see any accommodation for alternate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> traditions in there. I may need to go search old emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to dig up the discussions on this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Troy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 01/06/2018 09:36 AM, Cyrille wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 17:16, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Cyrille, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just a few comments which I hope will clear up a few >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The sword-tools SVN repo needs to be checked out to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your computer before you can run the convert.sh for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CCAT. The repo contains the .jar file you asked about. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You cannot just download the individual convert.sh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> script. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok It's clear. I need to clone it with hg? The user is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this from the automatic email send? If it is this email >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't find it again :- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SWORD versifications are often a superset for multiple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bibles. The SWORD engine provides a facility for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frontends to easily skip empty entries. Thus, when you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discover that a chapter here or a chapter there has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too many verses, it is probably that way to support >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another Bible which has more verses for that chapter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LXX v11n has been researched extensively by Chris and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others. There are many issues regarding the LXX which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are not easily resolved, e.g., Rahlfs providing two >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> textual traditions of the same book in parallel with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different versifications. I h research for LXX in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general can be found here: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK but what to do?? Is it possible to use the Rahlfs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with osis2mod? Because Rahlfs is not the current one. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have the Rahlfs text. If I use the current LXX v11n >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with my text I will have really a lot of issues! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps a bit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Troy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On January 6, 2018 9:01:01 AM MST, Cyrille >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lafricai...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Before to work on a new module for the LXX, I decided to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> verify the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current LXX v11n. And what was my surprise discovering >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many errors! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please can you give me the list of the current modules >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using LXX v11n? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will propose a new with correction, some books give me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worries, like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Esther, which contains a versification in letter, I will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make you a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposal once my verification is finished. I work with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the A. Rahlfs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (maybe the current LXX v11n was made with an other ?) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, Br Cyrille >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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