On 9/28/23 11:29, Greg Hellings wrote:

On Thu, Sep 28, 2023, 12:14 Aaron Rainbolt <arraybo...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hey, thanks for your help!

    I was able to just repack and remove most everything offending. I
    figured I should share the info upstream so that if there was
    you wanted to do on your end, you could, but obviously if you're
    comfortable keeping things as they are, I don't have a problem
    with that :)

There are others who are pumpkin holders for separate parts and they'll need to decide on updating their pieces. I own CMake and the Swig bindings (Python and Perl for us).

    I'll submit a patch for the Python bindings, the fix was fairly

    As for ftpparse, I could potentially try writing a replacement myself
    and license it as GPLv2. We already probably have a good starting
    since the FileZilla project is under GPL-2.0-or-later, and appears to
    have its own independently developed directory litsing parser
    written in
    C++ (see

    We could port the logic from that into something SWORD-compatible

That would probably work. Part of the goal with SWORD is that it needs no hard external library dependencies. Thus why ftpparse has been included inline. A novel contribution that replaces those but is still highly portable C would likely be welcomed.

    One more question about the CMake files, you mention that
    is your original contribution and would be GPLv2, but it appears
    to be
    ported from the BSD-3-Clause FindBZIP2.cmake. Just to be clear,
    since it
    contains your modifications, it should be "upgraded" to GPLv2 as
    it now
    contains your GPLv2 contributions? If so, are there any other
    files in
    the CMake folder that should be similarly "upgraded"? Potentially
    all of
    them if they've all had to be modified for SWORD?

I don't believe I had to modify anything. They were simply pulled in so I could maintain support for old versions of CMake - like on CentOS 6 and old Ubuntu LTS versions at the time - that had the core functionality needed but just lacked a file which newer CMake had bundled. Including most of them is likely a moot point by now as those versions are ancient. Yes, I undoubtedly modified it from FindBZIP2 as it was a later addition to the optional dependencies. The only reason to upgrade to GPL2 is that it's the exclusive license and version for SWORD contributions, in absence of compelling reasons to the contrary.

    Thanks so much for your help! Also, did you also previously maintain
    Xiphos and Bibletime? If so, I would love to take maintainership of
    those too so I can keep everything SWORD-related from dropping out of

I'm fairly certain that I am. If not the owner I was the defacto maintainer. You are welcome to take over those packages, for sure. Let me know if you need me to do the needful for that. I don't think they've been officially orphaned for F39, but would be on the chopping block for F40 in the absence of sword making it back in.

Thanks! If all of the comaintainers for Xiphos and BibleTime are also no longer available or interested, I think it would be helpful if you could go into https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/xiphos and https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/bibletime and click the "Orphan" button on those. I'll take them once that's done and should be able to help keep them maintained.

Thanks for all your help, and God bless!



    God bless, and thanks again.


    On 9/28/23 07:05, Greg Hellings wrote:
    > Aaron,
    > As the previous maintainer who dropped support, thank you for
    > it up. I have moved on from being a Fedora user (NixOS these
    days) and
    > was no longer maintaining those packages nor the apps that
    depend on
    > it. I am, however, the pumpkin holder for the Python and Perl
    > bindings. If you want to submit a patch to us that gets those
    > again I would be happy to include it upstream.
    > Any files under the cmake folder were contributed by me. Those
    > a license were taken from later CMake versions and would match
    > licenses there. The FindXZ file is my original contribution and is
    > under the GPLv2 like all other original SWORD code.
    > The gSOAP and Objective-C bindings should be safe to remove in
    > as there is no need for them there.
    > The win32 files would only affect the MinGW build of sword in
    > which was not retired as it was unaffected by the Python changes.
    > ftpparse is a constant thorn in our side whenever people become
    > up on the commercial clause. While not strictly necessary to
    SWORD, as
    > HTTP and HTTPS are supported if the library is built with cURL
    > support, it would be a huge loss of functionality for most
    users. It
    > probably is time to consider rewriting their functionality.
    > The Android jar file is also unnecessary for your packaging and you
    > can safely delete it. And the whole pqa folder for diatheke
    should be
    > tossed. Likely at the SVN level, as I'm sure we are not building
    > binaries anymore.
    > Hope that helps.
    > --Greg
    > On Thu, Sep 28, 2023, 01:06 Aaron Rainbolt
    <arraybo...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >     Good morning/evening, and thanks for your time.
    >     Recently SWORD was removed from Fedora 39 because of a bug
    >     relating to
    >     the python bindings (it's still using distutils rather than
    >     setuptools,
    >     which needed to be fixed, but the maintainer didn't fix it in
    >     time). I'm
    >     attempting to get SWORD back into Fedora by fixing the
    issue, but
    >     as the
    >     package was already retired, I'm preparing to reintroduce it
    as if it
    >     were being added for the first time. For the sake of making
    things go
    >     smoothly, I did a full licensing audit on the SWORD source
    code to
    >     ensure that all licenses were compliant with Fedora's
    >     Some of the results of this audit were less-than-ideal, so I
    >     thought I
    >     would share the results with you so that you can take any
    >     you
    >     deem appropriate. I'm in the process of resolving these
    issues in
    >     Fedora.
    >     * There are several files under sword-1.9.0/cmake that have
    >     licenses (referring to "the BSD license" but without
    specifying which
    >     version, and telling the user to look at a file that doesn't
    >     for
    >     the license details). I *believe* these files are licensed under
    >     BSD-3-Clause, as I found the original source for all but one
    of them,
    >     however I could not find the original source for
    >     sword-1.9.0/cmake/FindXZ.cmake.
    >     * The gSOAP bindings contain a file,
    >     sword-1.9.0/bindings/gsoap/include/stdsoap.h, which has no
    >     and
    >     an "All rights reserved" notice.
    >     * The Objective-C bindings have a similar problem - the
    >     files
    >     under sword-1.9.0/bindings/objc all have no license and an "All
    >     rights
    >     reserved" notice:
    >         - ObjCSword.h
    >         - src/Notifications.h (yes I realize this file consists
    >     entirely of
    >     comments but this is still worrying)
    >         - src/SwordBibleBook.h
    >         - src/SwordBibleBook.m
    >         - src/SwordBibleChapter.h
    >         - src/SwordBibleChapter.m
    >         - src/SwordBibleTextEntry.h
    >         - src/SwordBibleTextEntry.m
    >         - src/SwordInstallSource.h
    >         - src/SwordInstallManager.h
    >         - src/SwordInstallManager.mm
    >         - src/SwordInstallSource.mm
    >         - src/SwordKey.h
    >         - src/SwordKey.m
    >         - src/SwordListKey.h
    >         - src/SwordListKey.mm
    >         - src/SwordLocaleManager.h
    >         - src/SwordLocaleManager.mm
    >         - src/SwordModuleIndex.h
    >         - src/SwordModuleIndex.m
    >         - src/SwordModuleTextEntry.h
    >         - src/SwordModuleTextEntry.m
    >         - src/SwordTreeEntry.h
    >         - src/SwordTreeEntry.m
    >         - src/SwordVerseKey.h
    >         - src/SwordVerseKey.mm
    >         - src/SwordVerseManager.h
    >         - src/SwordVerseManager.m
    >         - src/VerseEnumerator.h
    >         - src/VerseEnumerator.m
    >         - src/services/Configuration.h
    >         - src/services/Configuration.m
    >         - src/services/iOSConfiguration.h
    >         - src/services/iOSConfiguration.m
    >         - src/services/OSXConfiguration.h
    >         - src/services/OSXConfiguration.m
    >         - SWORD/SWORD/SWORD.h
    >         - SWORD/SWORD/SWORD.m
    >         - test/SwordListKeyTest.h
    >         - test/SwordListKeyTest.m
    >         - test/SwordModuleLongRunTest.h
    >         - test/SwordModuleLongRunTest.mm
    >         - test/SwordModuleTest.h
    >         - test/SwordModuleTest.m
    >     * Two files under sword-1.9.0/src/utilfuns/win32 are under
    >     licenses - they prohibit the sale of media containing those
    files for
    >     anything greater than the cost of distribution.
    >     * The files sword-1.9.0/include/ftpparse.h and
    >     sword-1.9.0/src/utilfuns/ftpparse.c are under informal non-free
    >     licenses
    >     prohibiting commercial use unless the copyright owner is
    informed of
    >     what program uses the files. This code appears to be critical to
    >     SWORD's
    >     functionality (as FTP is used for module downloading), so I have
    >     attempted to contact the author and ask that ftpparse be
    >     relicensed to
    >     0BSD (which should be compatible with the licenses in SWORD).
    >     In addition to the above, I discovered some pre-built binary
    >     floating around:
    >         -
    >         - sword-1.9.0/utilities/diatheke/pqa/Diatheke.pqa
    >     While these aren't strictly a problem, they do have to be
    removed in
    >     Fedora. You might consider removing them from your SVN repo if
    >     possible
    >     and not too inconvenient.
    >     I hope this message finds you all doing well! God bless, and
    >     thanks for
    >     all the work you've put into the SWORD Project!
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