Fabien, thank you for extending support for another three months and emphasizing how straightforward the upgrade to Symfony 1.3 will be. Going forward into the future I think it would be a smart marketing decision to always provide at least three months of overlap in situations like these.
I definitely see your point about the Sensio paid support option. I'll be keeping that in mind when clients get antsy about support for long-established projects. My more immediate concern was with an earlier stage of negotiations. Without the three-month overlap it would have been hard to sell a technically astute client on the framework... the timing was very awkward. Looking forward to 1.3, Tom On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Fabien Potencier <[email protected]> wrote: > > After discussing the matter with the core team and especially Fabian > (the release manager of symfony 1.2), we have decided to extend the > support for symfony 1.2 for another 3 months. 3 months of overlap > seems like plenty of time to migrate your applications. The > installation page will be updated accordingly. > > Fabien > > On Nov 2, 8:18 am, Fabien Potencier <fabien.potenc...@symfony- > project.com> wrote: >> frédéric gontier wrote: >> > I love this framework too and in production mode i use only 1.0 version. >> > I'm really afraid that Symfony could not be the success that it >> > deserves. >> > why? because backward compatibility is not supported with different >> > version of the framework, critic behavior's interface like email or >> > configuration are changed on every version. Maybe, it would be safe to >> > slow the releases and trace a stable roadmap for a LTS version. >> > I think that this discussion is really critic, so i hope that someone >> > like fabien would react. >> >> I have just answered to the original email. >> >> Fabien >> >> >> >> > Le mercredi 28 octobre 2009 à 17:23 -0400, Tom Boutell a écrit : >> > > I understand that support for Symfony 1.2 is supposed to end in >> > > November with the release of Symfony 1.3. >> >> > > What practices, if any, in Symfony 1.2 code are expected to be >> > > incompatible with Symfony 1.3? >> >> > > I know Symfony 1.3 won't be the huge change that Symfony 1.1/1.2 were. >> > > But I still don't think it's wise to drop support for practices >> > > considered valid in 1.2 the moment 1.3 appears. >> >> > > Other long-established open source projects do not do this on such a >> > > scale. Valid PHP 5.0.x code runs on PHP 5.3.x, with deprecation >> > > warnings sometimes, but it runs. And 5.2.x is definitely still being >> > > actively supported after the release of 5.3.x. >> >> > > It is very difficult to make responsible proposals to clients without >> > > ongoing support for at least the previous minor version series for >> > > Symfony. >> >> > > I know Symfony 1.2 wasn't supposed to be an LTS release but the >> > > reality is that it was the first stable-enough-to-use release of >> > > Symfony since the end of the 1.0.x series, and people have migrated >> > > long term projects to it out of necessity. I strongly feel it should >> > > be supported for at least a year after the release of 1.3. >> >> > > I also think it is appropriate to fix serious bugs like >> > >http://trac.symfony-project.org/ticket/6937in the 1.2 series, making >> > > features work substantially as advertised unless the only possible fix >> > > is a backwards incompatible change. But I can live without embedded >> > > M2M relation forms ever working in 1.2. What I find difficult to live >> > > without is enough stability that the Symfony releases page doesn't >> > > frighten clients off. >> >> > > BC breaks in a mature system should be a major-version thing (2.0, not >> > > 1.0), and there should be ongoing support of the previous major >> > > version for quite a while when they happen. >> >> > > I love this framework - please help me sell it to my clients as >> > > something that will continue to work for at least a year. (: > > > -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "symfony developers" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-devs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
