Alexander, I think that the first issue is that nobody else (myself including) is understanding the Da Vinci metaphor. I just don't see how it applies to the situation even remotely. Perhaps a new metaphor?
Earlier you mentioned Apple and the ease of use of Apple products so let me work with that analogy. If you handed your mother-in-law an iPad, she could probably use it quite naturally without reading any documentation. The problem, I believe is that you would believe in this situation that Symfony2 would be the iPad. In reality, Symfony2 would be more like that ARM-based dual core A5 processor that runs the new iPad. If you handed your mother-in-law an ARM processor she most definitely would have no idea what to do. Likewise, Symfony2 would not be iTunes, it would be the Apple Core libraries like CoreAudio. Symfony2 is a product that is realistically for the use of professionals and experienced hobbyists. This is completely OK. On top of Symfony2 there will be CMS products and apps such as what's happening with the SymfonyCMF project and phpBB4. These will be designed to be much easier for end-users to use without knowing about or understanding the power that comes from the product's Symfony2 core. I understand and appreciate your point of view but to be completely honest, I don't think that it is a valid point. Hopefully you now better understand the purpose of Symfony2 and how it fits into the world of development. Kind Regards, Keri Henare ----- On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 6:54 AM, Alexander Sergeyev <[email protected]> wrote: > Matt, > be sure I've investigated every bit of information on websites of mentioned > frameworks before posting anything. My areas of expertise (B2C testing in > Vienna and B2B UX in Toronto in the past, copywriting and voice-over in > Moscow at present) are far from in-depth development. Yet basic concepts are > learned as I progress from plain HTML to inheritance and superficial > optimizations, right? > > That's why I say Symfony2 is almost crowned with laurels after "From flat > PHP to Symfony2", however almost is not a winning post. That's why I'm with > you now and not with puzzled or even rude audience of some other framework > communities, whose 'huh' reminds me of recent joke: > What does it mean to be a good person? - Aristotle > What does it mean to be? - Descartes > What does it mean? - Nietzsche > What does it? - C.S. Lewis > What? - Lil' Jon > > I'm with you, Matt, and suggest adding one more page to the Book. Take all > copyrights, take a donation for coffee, but in the end produce 'Prequel' > about Da Vinci or any other mid-size (multi-page) case without database > stuff, explaining how MVC overlays bygone development habits in plain > language. Take hierarchy from my initial post and convert it to Symfony2. > You see, it's strictly about gradual transition to MVC paradigm, not about > PHP basics. Be the pioneer! > > -- > If you want to report a vulnerability issue on symfony, please send it to > security at symfony-project.com > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "symfony developers" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-devs?hl=en > -- If you want to report a vulnerability issue on symfony, please send it to security at symfony-project.com You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "symfony developers" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-devs?hl=en
