Well, one proposal I had worked out very well ended up in a very obscure decision process. If we do not define how the decision process looks like, when a topic is "mature", when a topic is ready for a decision, etc. there is no point in changing the format of IRC meetings at all imho. Also the past has shown that it is very hard, or even impossible to get all people to the same level of knowledge regardless of whether there is a worked out proposal or not. That's why it stands to question whether all people should be entitled to have a say in the decision process, or not. If people don't read the proposal, then IMO they cannot make any educated decision.
To sum this up, if you want to formalize the IRC meetings, then you need to formalize much more than that. Kind regards, Johannes On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Lukas Kahwe Smith <[email protected]>wrote: > > On 14.04.2011, at 10:26, Johannes Schmitt wrote: > > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but 1), 3), and 4) are good topics to discuss, > no? > > > > On a side note I don't understand the difference between the new/old > format of IRC meetings, and I also don't understand why the old format was > inferior. > > previously we basically discussed stuff on IRC at any state of the topic. > this lead to a lot of back and forth and "circular" discussion during the > IRC meetings as the same arguments were presented repeatedly. also it always > took several minutes to get people even into the loop about the topic. also > this often lead to fairly quick-shot decisions that we later regretted. > > the idea was that we would use the mailinglist to mature the state of > discussion before the IRC meeting and more importantly ensure that there is > a good summary of all relevant sides to the topic before the meeting so that > the IRC meetings would mostly just be about resolving smaller > misunderstandings to ensure that everybody has a common understanding of the > view points and then come to a final conclusion. > > now the fact of the matter is that nobody besides fabien and myself are > willing to invest the time to work out a proposal and post it with pro's and > con's to the mailinglist. but also it didnt seem like anyone really missed > the IRC meeting, because nobody opposed this "change", so i am not pushing > for a meeting. but hey if there is an interest to just "chat" with more > people than usual being around thats cool too. but doesnt require me as a > moderator organizing things. anyone can throw up a time and date on this > list. > > regards, > Lukas Kahwe Smith > [email protected] > > > > -- > If you want to report a vulnerability issue on symfony, please send it to > security at symfony-project.com > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "symfony developers" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-devs?hl=en > -- If you want to report a vulnerability issue on symfony, please send it to security at symfony-project.com You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "symfony developers" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-devs?hl=en
