Lukas,

The purpose of my message was mainly to promote a paradigm that is not or 
not-well know by many devs.

AOP is not the solution to all the problems, it is just a tool that every 
developers  should have in their toolbox close to the Di, Event, ...

By giving some pointers to docs / code may be some more developers will 
learn about this paradigm and it will possibly help them in one of their 
future project.
(but I guess you understand excatly what promoting a new paradigm is).

Cheers,
Victor

On Saturday, December 1, 2012 9:39:27 AM UTC+1, Lukas Smith wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 1:39 , Stéphane <stephan...@gmail.com <javascript:>> 
> wrote: 
>
> > I wonder why did you created your own AOP instead of using/forking the 
> one bundled in SE ? 
>
> There isnt a one true AOP approach. 
> Specifically Johannes AOP Bundle only works on top of the DIC by rewriting 
> services. This is quite elegant in many ways but has the disadvantage that 
> for any class that is created manually (f.e. models and other value 
> objects) you cannot use AOP. Furthermore its basically extending classes 
> and wrapping the aspect functionality around the existing code using 
> inheritance (not sure how much voodoo it can do to also deal with private 
> methods). 
>
> The approach that TYPO3 took is that it essentially rewrites the original 
> code and then loads the rewritten code via autoloading. Meaning even if you 
> do a manual "new Foo" they can still add aspect functionality. This has 
> even less performance overhead in production, since its not using 
> inheritance and not adding method calls. However it means that the original 
> code isnt actually executed anymore. 
>
> Both approaches do require code scanning which can slow down development 
> (and yes Symfony2/Doctrine already scan code, but more scanning just means 
> things get even slower). 
>
> In terms of debuggability I think it is a bit confusing, but indeed less 
> so than what people face with events, which is often that people need to 
> resort to in the absence of AOP. The TYPO3 approach is even freakier, 
> though I think they have an error handler that "fakes" the original line 
> numbers to make debugging the original code easier. 
>
> At the end of the day, there is nothing stopping you from using Johannes 
> or the TYPO3 approach in your project and to publish guidelines etc. I dont 
> think that AOP has any place in the components themselves. So aside from 
> creating a Symfony2 AOP component, I am not sure what you really expect to 
> happen. 
>
> regards, 
> Lukas Kahwe Smith 
> m...@pooteeweet.org <javascript:> 
>
>
>
>

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