Hey Fabien,

I'd personally want to have new posts and answers in my inbox ASAP, so I'm
not sure if a forum software would do the trick. If it is possible to use a
mailing list, I'd prefer that solution. Yes, it's all old software, but it
works fine!

Discourse looks really promising, but I think that what the community
really needs right now is just a tool to work with, not something to
experiment. Does anybody know if it can also work as a mailing list? If it
ever goes in the direction of a "forum please", then I'm all for trying
this new tool. The "double-clawed hammer" guy may be wrong at judging PHP,
but he's great at building community management software.


Marco Pivetta

http://twitter.com/Ocramius

http://ocramius.github.com/


On 26 March 2013 07:52, Fabien Potencier <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Unfortunately and for no reasons, the Symfony2 mailing-list is gone for
> the second time in a very short period of time. It happened some weeks ago
> and I was not able to contact anyone about the issue. The mailing-list came
> back and still not a single email from Google about what happened.
>
> So, I think it's time to move on. We cannot be hostages of Google for our
> support and our knowledge base. There are several options to replace the
> Google mailing-lists and I want to get your opinion on the best one to
> choose before doing anything (the decision will probably also impact all my
> other mailing-lists on Google - Swiftmailer, Silex, Twig, ...):
>
> * A - Migrate all the discussions on the Symfony forum (
> forum.symfony-project.org).
>
>   * Pros: it's online since 2005, it has a massive amount of registered
> people, we already have a big archive of knowledge there, it's written with
> phpBB (which uses Symfony and several core team members are also part of
> the Symfony community), it allows us to unify the community, which is split
> right now.
>
>   * Cons: Some people don't like forums because they want everything to
> happen in an email client (but it might be possible to use phpBB that way
> too).
>
> * B - Host our own mailing-list software and provide the same kind of
> service as Google Groups
>
>   * Pros: The disruption won't be big with what we have now.
>
>   * Cons: The community will still be split in two, only because of some
> preferences. What kind of software to use? All of them seems old and
> outdated. The only one that looks great is Lamson (
> http://lamsonproject.org/).
>
> * C - Use a more "modern" approach to discussions like the recently
> released Discourse software (http://www.discourse.org/) -- which is
> Open-Source.
>
> Of course, relying on a third-party is not an option anymore. So, stack
> overflow or any other forum/mailing-list providers are not an option.
>
> jQuery chose the first option (A) some time ago and they don't seem to
> regret it. Drupal also uses a forum and no mailing-list as far as I know.
> So, that works.
>
> Zend Framework and many other Open-Source projects hosts their own
> mailing-lists.
>
> My personal preference is either A or B without a clear winner. A is
> probably better for the community, B is probably less disruptive.
>
> What do you want us to do?
>
> Cheers,
> Fabien
>
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