Hi! This subject was discussed way too much ... All the guys that are not satisfied with this framwork (developers or managers), they are free to quit using this framework. They should not be trying to force themselfs to understand symfony way ...
I am not telling that i have understand completely the symfony framework, or that i have learn to use it and i do not care about what others do in this matter (not the subject of this topic anymore) ... Some things that I know for sure are: - wrote in around 1 week (design , implementation, refactorization) a address book that might have finnished in normal php in around lets say 2-3 weeks ( listing, editing, validation, and a lot of inputs that should be displaied ) - wrote in another week an extension of the sfGuardUser that allows the user to change the email, change it's password , domain validator, some ip validators, forgot password, register service... Those things could take me a month or more to do it without symfony ... I just think to those queries that i would need to wrote, those modules , and so on .... Alecs On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Lee Bolding <[email protected]> wrote: > > Interesting.. > > Do you know the reason they don't want to use symfony? is it because > they want to maintain the application themselves? or with labour > cheaper than yourself once it's built? it would be interesting to > know... as it could spur on a symfony and TCO study or something. > > I actually find that it takes me considerably longer to do anything > when not using symfony now... validators? security? ORM? ergh. Even > simple CRUD applications can be knocked out quickly - remember the > original Blog screencast for 1.0? how long did that take? 8 minutes or > so? > > The only argument I can see against using symfony is for the reasons I > mentioned above. > > On 1 Nov 2009, at 18:34, Derrek wrote: > > > > > > > I've learned as a consultant that it's not worth trying to convince > > people to use symfony. Some people are simply content in a short > > sighted only do enough work to solve the immediate problem mentality. > > That's fine, and for many smaller projects, it works fine too. > > > > I have a number of clients that have resisted the move to symfony or > > frameworks like it. It has literally cost them hundreds of thousands > > of dollars as now they need much of what symfony has to offer but are > > stuck in a non-symfony world where making these kinds of changes > > requires months of work. > > > > On the bright side, much of that money ends up in my pocket. ;) So, > > really I use symfony on my own projects to give me a technical > > advantage. But if a client doesn't want symfony, I'm happy to take all > > the extra money they will spend to compete with others using > > symfony. ;) > > > > --Derrek > > > > > > > > -- As programmers create bigger & better idiot proof programs, so the universe creates bigger & better idiots! I am on web: http://www.alecslupu.ro/ I am on twitter: http://twitter.com/alecslupu I am on linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alecslupu Tel: (+4)0748.543.798 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "symfony users" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
