On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:33 AM, [email protected]
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On 8 March 2012 18:25, Aaron Meurer <[email protected]> wrote:
>> This looks like a good start.  Did you think about ways that some of
>> these ideas can be used in SymPy Live too?
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Bharath M R <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I am Bharath M R, a student of Electrical Engineering at IIT Madras.
>>> I would like to apply for the building the gamma.sympy.org site. I would
>>> like to
>>> implement the following things as part of the project.
>>>
>>> 1)Basic parsing
>>> Something like solve x**2==1, integrate x**2 will be parsed and interpreted.
>>> Doing something like wolphram alpha would require a lot of ideas from
>>> natural language processing which I am not familiar with.
>>
>> This is something that can be improved upon over time.  The important
>> thing here is to start with a good framework in SymPy to build upon,
>> so we can easily extend it with new rules.
>>
>> And no matter how much you implement, it will always be a heuristic.
>> We just want it to catch the common case.  We can do things like
>> provide a feedback button for mis-interpreted input, so we can get an
>> idea of what doesn't work and where things need to be improved the
>> most.
>>
>>>
>>> 2) An incremental search for functions in symPy
>>> Its very important for a person to get to know the particular function he
>>> wants to use. This will be implemented using ajax calls to the sphinx
>>> documentation database.This will be similar to search in scilab /
>>> mathematica.
>>
>> Additionally, there should be links throughout the interface to the
>> relevant Sphinx documentation for the various functions used (similar
>> to in WolframAlpha).
>>
>>>
>>> 3) A lyx/ Mathematica styled input.
>>> This greedily converts the expressions into latex symbols, so that the user
>>> knows what he is actually computing. We can also add a set of symbols for
>>> summation, integrals, differentiation as a bottom bar. The input will look
>>> like latex input to the user, while we convert the expressions into required
>>> symPy functions in the backend.
>>
>> How did you plan to implement this?  For now, the way that I know to
>> do it is to first compute the whole expression to SymPy, then call
>> latex() on it, and parse the latex with MathJax.  That is what happens
>> at SymPy Live.  It sounds like you want something that lets you type
>> LaTeX styled math on the fly, which basically amounts to an equation
>> editor.
>>
>>>
>>> 4)Matplotlib for plotting
>>> We plot the expressions, if it is plottable just as Wolphram Alpha by
>>> default.
>>
>> The app engine now supports numpy, so this should be doable (I hope).
>> Our matplotlib plotting engine is still in its infant stages (for now,
>> it only lives at https://github.com/sympy/sympy/pull/673), but it
>> should grow.  Hopefully we will get another project that will improve
>> it.  You could also spend some time of this project working on it,
>> though obviously it would be better if most of the time were spent
>> doing the other things.
> I am not certain but I think that matplotlib includes some C code and
> so it won't work on GAE. But the new module can easily be extended
> with other backends like Google Chart API.
>
> Also there are some less used matplotlib backends that do not need
> compilation (pure python)
> http://old.nabble.com/Pure-python-matplotlib-for-Google-App-Engine-td32721389.html

Oh, OK.  Here is the app engine issue to add matplotlib:
http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=482.

Someone there suggests using http://code.google.com/p/svgfig/ as a
pure Python alternative to Google Charts.  It's GPL, though, so I
don't know if that would be a problem. Regardless, it looks like a
neat library to add a backend for. It should be easy (see
http://code.google.com/p/svgfig/wiki/PlottingTutorial).

Aaron Meurer

>>
>>>
>>> 5)Ipython like notebook.
>>> I think it is possible to port the Ipython notebook according to this
>>> discussion(https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/sage-notebook/re2bUt4vCxA).
>>> But the time it takes to port is not very fixed. I want to know whether I am
>>> overreaching by including it.
>>
>> Even without the notebook, we should use IPython itself in SymPy Live
>> (http://code.google.com/p/sympy/issues/detail?id=2645), if that's
>> possible.  That will give us things like better tab completion and
>> access to IPython magic. My idea is that you should be able to click
>> on a SymPy Gamma calculation and just get a little SymPy Live session,
>> so the two projects are related.
>>
>>>
>>> 5) Make the interface look beautiful with twitter bootstrap.
>>
>> +1.  I don't know anything about this specific library, but a
>> beautiful, highly functional interface is almost as important as good
>> functionality.
>>
>> Aaron Meurer
>>
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