On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Oscar Benjamin <[email protected]
> wrote:

> On 20 January 2016 at 15:11, Aaron Meurer <[email protected]> wrote:
> > SymPy has algorithms to find roots of quintics in radicals (when they
> > exist). I don't recall if the algorithms work for symbolic inputs.
> >
> > One can take a general quintic (x**5 + a*x**4 + b*x**3 + c*x**2 + d*x +
> e)
> > and shift it by y (replace x with x - y). Then expand and collect terms
> in
> > x. The coefficient of x**3 is a quadratic in y.  Hence, one can solve a
> > quadratic in y in radicals terms of a and b, and shift the quintic by
> that.
> > One then has a new quintic, with no cubic term, with the same roots
> shifted
> > by some term which is expressible in radicals. Hence, the general quintic
> > with no cubic term is not solvable in radicals, as a solution would give
> a
> > solution to the general quintic (shift it back by the radical expression
> > above, which would keep it in radicals).
>
> The above argument extends to making any of the coefficients zero with
> the exception of the constant coefficient e. If we could shift to x -
> t so that we have a new polynomial with zero constant term then x = t
> would be a root of the original polynomial which would imply being
> able to find one root of (and hence all roots of) any quintic.
> Otherwise though we can shift to make any of a, b, c or d zero.
>
> However the OP asked about a less general case where the cubic and
> quadratic coefficients are both zero. It's not possible in general to
> shift a quintic so that both b and c are zero.
>

Oh I didn't notice that :)


> > Here is some SymPy code:
> >
> > a, b, c, d, e, x, y = symbols('a b c d e x y')
> > q = x**5 + a*x**4 + b*x**3 + c*x**2 + d*x + e
> > print(collect(q.subs(x, x - y).expand(), x, evaluate=False)[x**3])
> > t = solve(collect(q.subs(x, x - y).expand(), x, evaluate=False)[x**3],
> y)[0]
> > print(t)
> > print(collect(q.subs(x, x - t).expand(), x, evaluate=False).get(x**3))
>
> To make b and c zero we'd need to solve these two equations
> simultaneously for one variable y:
>
> In [5]: print(collect(q.subs(x, x - y).expand(), x, evaluate=False)[x**2])
> 6*a*y**2 - 3*b*y + c - 10*y**3
>
> In [6]: print(collect(q.subs(x, x - y).expand(), x, evaluate=False)[x**3])
> -4*a*y + b + 10*y**2
>
> Clearly that will only work for some lucky values of a, b, and c. (One
> that jumps out is the trivial solution that we could have y=0 if b and
> c are both 0.)
>
> So this is not a general quintic but neither sympy nor Wolfram can
> solve it. I was wondering if it is possible to specifically verify
> that it has an unsolvable Galois group but perhaps not.
>

SymPy is not able to do that (I checked and the roots_quintic function in
the polys only works for rational coefficients).

If WolframAlpha can compute Galois groups I wasn't able to get it to work.
Probably GAP can do it, if someone wants to check that.

Aaron Meurer


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