[12:59] asankha: hi paul [12:59] paulfremantle: hi [13:01] paulfremantle: shall we wait a bit [13:01] paulfremantle: if we are waiting [13:01] paulfremantle: please take a look at [13:01] paulfremantle: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/synapse.html [13:02] paulfremantle: and make any suggestions for improvements [13:02] asankha: sure.. was wondering if i could leave a bit early if no one joins.. but lets wait and see.. [13:03] paulfremantle: +1 [13:03] asankha: i think we could add that the M2 was released... [13:03] paulfremantle: yep [13:03] asankha: except for that .. it looks good [13:04] asankha: "We have active committers from at four companies" => should be => "We have active committers from four companies" [13:06] paulfremantle: yes [13:06] paulfremantle: or maybe at least [13:06] asankha: yes [13:06] *** saminda has joined #apache-synapse. [13:07] saminda: hi [13:07] paulfremantle: hi [13:07] paulfremantle: i had a set of things to discuss [13:07] paulfremantle: but we can get them on the mailing list if we dont have a quorum here [13:08] asankha: yes.. also would be good to get glen and ant to vote to leave incubation [13:11] paulfremantle: well yes I'd like to know what their thoughts are [13:14] *** jaliya has joined #apache-synapse. [13:15] jaliya: Hi all [13:15] asankha: hi [13:15] paulfremantle: hey Jaliya [13:15] paulfremantle: how are you? [13:15] jaliya: Doing fine, thanks. At last I was able to join :) [13:15] paulfremantle: cool [13:16] paulfremantle: we had a few things to chat about [13:16] paulfremantle: 1) graduation [13:16] paulfremantle: 2) future releases [13:17] dims: hi all [13:17] paulfremantle: we are having a vote on graduating from the incubator [13:17] paulfremantle: hi Dims :-) [13:17] jaliya: hi Dims [13:18] asankha: hi Dims [13:18] jaliya: So the voting should come from the incubator PMCs? right [13:18] paulfremantle: so feel free to join in Jaliya (the vote I mean) [13:18] paulfremantle: we have 3 votes! [13:18] paulfremantle: 1) synapse dev [13:18] paulfremantle: we have to want to graduate [13:18] paulfremantle: then [13:19] paulfremantle: 2) ws-pmc [13:19] paulfremantle: they have to want us [13:19] jaliya: oh [13:19] paulfremantle: and then [13:19] paulfremantle: 3) incubator-pmc [13:19] jaliya: i thought it should be only incubator PMC [13:19] paulfremantle: they have to let us go [13:20] paulfremantle: so please encourage people on synapse-dev to vote :-) [13:20] paulfremantle: even if its not +1 it would be good to know [13:22] asankha: Paul.. what was it that you wanted to talk about future releases [13:23] paulfremantle: well [13:23] paulfremantle: my thought is [13:23] paulfremantle: that we start aiming for 1.0 [13:24] paulfremantle: I think we should go for a 0.x release next [13:24] paulfremantle: after the hackathon [13:24] asankha: yes [13:24] paulfremantle: and we should start targeting the 1.0 function now [13:25] paulfremantle: in other words the next release could be like a first beta of 1.0 [13:25] paulfremantle: and then we can keep iterating till we are happy [13:25] paulfremantle: but i think we need to have a clear idea of what 1.0 will be so that we can track our progress [13:27] asankha: i have placed our initial discussion items at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/Synapse/InProgress/Features_and_Design [13:27] asankha: would be good to update it with any changes [13:28] paulfremantle: its a shame Glen isnt here [13:28] paulfremantle: because I know he always has strong views about 1.0 releases :-) [13:29] jaliya: :) [13:29] asankha: maybe we should get his thoughts on email without waiting for next weeks chat.. [13:29] asankha: then discuss in the dev list a bit before the chat if we can [13:29] paulfremantle: yes [13:30] paulfremantle: i guess the main time issue is to have a clear idea what to work on in the hackathon [13:31] jaliya: we also need few documents, i mean a guide to samples and clearly the way how they should be used. Normally people expect "everything" from 1.0 s [13:31] paulfremantle: yes we do need more documentation [13:32] paulfremantle: asankhas done a good job on updating the UserGuide [13:32] paulfremantle: but we definitely need more [13:32] paulfremantle: i would say we should have [13:32] asankha: yes Jaliya.. heard that you had some problems with the samples.. would ge great to have your feedback for us to improve [13:32] paulfremantle: 1) a Getting Started [13:32] paulfremantle: 2) User Guide [13:32] paulfremantle: 3) Architecture Guide [13:32] paulfremantle: 4) Guide to Samples [13:32] paulfremantle: 5) Howto [13:33] paulfremantle: im going to have to go in a minute [13:33] paulfremantle: will someone post the chat log to -dev? [13:33] asankha: ok.. i will post this [13:33] paulfremantle: cool [13:33] asankha: lets get Glen on the mail.. and discuss next week [13:33] paulfremantle: +1 [13:34] jaliya: sure, i will let you know [13:34] asankha: thanks Paul, Jaliya [13:34] paulfremantle: And I'm seeing Ant on Friday so I will go through this with him too [13:34] paulfremantle: bfn [13:35] *** gdaniels has joined #apache-synapse. [13:35] paulfremantle: hey glen [13:35] gdaniels: hi folks! [13:35] paulfremantle: we had just given up on you :-) [13:35] gdaniels: sorry to be late [13:35] paulfremantle: its fine [13:35] *** asankha has signed off IRC (). [13:35] gdaniels: what'd I miss? :) [13:35] paulfremantle: unfortunately a couple of us have to go [13:35] gdaniels: woop [13:36] gdaniels: ah well, I can read the log [13:36] paulfremantle: quick recap [13:36] paulfremantle: 1. graduation? [13:36] *** jaliya has signed off IRC ("My damn controlling terminal disappeared!"). [13:36] paulfremantle: 2. release plan [13:36] paulfremantle: 3. hackathon [13:36] paulfremantle: 4. documentation [13:36] gdaniels: (yay hackathon) [13:36] gdaniels: (not to mention yay documentation) [13:37] paulfremantle: so the aim is to agree a set of what we want from a 1.0 release [13:37] paulfremantle: as a way of focussing on the goal [13:37] paulfremantle: and then we want to move to a 0.x release [13:37] *** jaliya has joined #apache-synapse. [13:37] paulfremantle: where 0<x<10 [13:38] paulfremantle: and the aim of the hackathon will be to get ready for that release [13:38] paulfremantle: and then we'll just keep "releasing often and early" until we are so happy we call it 1.0 [13:38] gdaniels: sounds like a plan [13:38] paulfremantle: The function list is here http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/Synapse/InProgress/Features_and_Design [13:39] gdaniels: yup [13:39] paulfremantle: so how are you on graduation? [13:39] gdaniels: My only question is "graduate then 1.0" or "1.0 then graduate" [13:39] gdaniels: In general I'm +1 about it [13:40] paulfremantle: my view is graduate then 1.0 [13:40] paulfremantle: and here's my logic [13:40] paulfremantle: if we want to release often and early [13:40] jaliya: btw; can incubator project go for 1.0? [13:40] paulfremantle: its painful asking the inc pmc every time [13:44] gdaniels: sure [13:44] paulfremantle: cool [13:44] paulfremantle: well i gtg im afraid [13:45] gdaniels: ok, sorry again for lateness, I'll be on time next wk :) [13:45] paulfremantle: cool [13:45] paulfremantle: lets try and get a good turnout [13:45] gdaniels: can't wait for hackathon [13:45] paulfremantle: and make sure we are gonna be productive at the hackathon :-) [13:45] paulfremantle: me too [13:45] paulfremantle: and of course the fine dublin stout [13:45] gdaniels: are ppl showing up Sunday or Monday or what? [13:45] gdaniels: I arrive Sun morning [13:46] paulfremantle: i think a bunch of guys are arriving sunday [13:46] paulfremantle: im landing 8am monday [13:46] gdaniels: k
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