2012/5/13 Yu Chen <[email protected]>
> Hi
>
> 1)
> Regarding encapsulate and group, I have to point out that synfig layer
> is primitive layer, in other graphics softwares in the world,
> they are normally defined as objects, take a look at Adobe Illustrator or
> Inkscape. There is another key point I have to mention capsulated
> layers are not 100% the same as group layers in other software, a
> capsulated layer is a canvas (exported or inline) in fact in synfig world.
> If
> we rename it to group, a user (newbie) will still expect it behaves as in
> other graphic softwares. so from my point of view this renaming can
> not solve the problem we are trying to solve.
>
>
Ok, so there are good reasons to keep the encapsulate terminology, to mark
the difference with groups in other softwares.
I agree with this.
But then the current "Groups" in synfig don't act like groups in other
softwares neither. So it's again a bit confusing for the user (I've been
quite confused about this the first time I saw this new panel)
So I still think we should rename those "group" to "Set", to mark the
difference.
And then I agree that some different icons are needed for those.
Yes, I redesigned group and inline canvas icons[1], there was some facts
> when I did them: I didn't know what exactly the inline canvas and
> group meaning in synfig, as most of newbies come from other graphics
> world, you can see at the forum discussions, I made a proposal
> using a "Folder" metaphor for inline canvas and for group too. From this
> mistake I made, we can have some valuable things: renaming
> inline canvas/encapsulate to Group can help but impede a user to catch
> synfig concept quickly. We all have to agree that "ease to learn" is
> not our main target since doing full feature animation movie with computer
> is not a ease job.
>
>
> If we finally make the decision that we have to rename encapsulate to
> group, group to sets, it will fine to me. but I can't agree with
> "keeping the current group icon as sets icon". Imaging a newbie come from
> other graphics software which has group layer concept as
> in the most graphics software, s/he except the "sets" behaves as group
> layer since most softwares use "Folder" icon as group layer.
>
> From UX point of view (I am doing researching job for UI Redesign), Group
> concept in current synfig will be replace be a filter system of
> layers, I have some initial ideas in my mind: each layer can be tagged by
> user, and can be filtered. I will find time to draw some mockups
> and post in here or forums to brainstorm.
>
> 2)
> For BLine, I have one proposal : just use "Line". Curve is fine to me too,
> be based on my experience, if I saw a word curve, I will always
> expect the line is a non-straight line :) BLine can be a straight line,
> isn't it?
>
>
>
Line is indeed more accurate than curve as it can be straight as you said.
But it's also a very "generic" term.
In a discussion with Genete, he proposed "Spline", and I like this proposal
(actually I thought about this too before but I wasn't sure if it was
really correct, but now I know it is :) )
>
>
Just my two cents.
>
> Thanks for those, very useful!
So to summarize, we have now these proposals where we all agree:
-For "Ducks" : "Control points" - OK
-For "Curves panel" : "Graph panel" - OK
-For "Cpoint" → "Color Stop" : OK
And on these we still have to choose:
-"Encapsulate" : "Group" or no change (I vote for no change, and so keep
the green capsules icons)
-"Group": "Set" or no change (I vote for Set, and get new icons of course)
-"Bline": "Curve", "Path", "Line", "Spline" (I vote for Spline)
I propose everyone say now his choice on these (let's wait one week from
now before we close the topic, so everyone can take time to answer), and
then we choose the most wanted.
Tim
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