In general TLS session tear down process is part of TLS and what happens
after TLS is torn down is part of the application.  The application also
describes application related conditions that result in the closure of
the session.  In this regard there probably is more text than necessary
in section 4.4 in syslog TLS.  

Joe

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Badra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 2:20 PM
> To: Joseph Salowey (jsalowey)
> Cc: tom. petch; Chris Lonvick (clonvick); 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
> [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Syslog] oops?
> 
> Hi Joe,
>  
> We are discussing the same issue on the Netconf mailing list 
> and there are two questions from:
>  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I wanna ask why immediately instead of sending pening writes 
> before close down the connection.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> And I like to add whether it is normal practice that the TLS 
> teardown procedure is application protocol specific. RFC 5246 
> section 7.2.1 discusses closure alerts in TLS 1.2 and I like 
> to understand why we need additional text for NETCONF over 
> TLS. //or syslog-tls.
> 
> Best regards,
> Badra
> 
>  
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:06 PM, Joseph Salowey (jsalowey) 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
>       Same text is in RFC 5246.   Looks like we should delete 
> the cited text
>       in syslog-transport-tls-13.
>       
>       
>       Joe
>       
>       > -----Original Message-----
>       > From: tom.petch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>       > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 10:17 AM
>       > To: Chris Lonvick (clonvick); [email protected]; Joseph Salowey
>       > (jsalowey)
>       > Subject: oops?
>       >
>       > Chris, Joe
>       >
>       > From syslog-transport-tls-13
>       >
>       > "When the client has received
>       >    the close_notify alert from the server and still has
>       > pending data to
>       >    send, it SHOULD send the pending data before sending the
>       > close_notify
>       >    alert."
>       >
>       > From RFC4346
>       >
>       > " The other party MUST respond with a close_notify
>       >    alert of its own and close down the connection immediately,
>       >    discarding any pending writes.  "
>       >
>       > Tom Petch
>       >
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