Just to add the figures that support my assertion, in an e-mail from Wes
Hardaker, who surveyed the network operators, to isms

"Of the various authentication systems in use at that time by the people that
responded:

  66%  local accounts
  49%  SSH-keys
  40%  Radius
  29%  TACACS+
  14%  X.509 Certificates
  10%  Kerberos

  [numbers don't add to 100 because more than one option could be selected]"

which I have paraphrased as
SSH a significant number
TLS so small as to be invisible

Of course, as I hope is clear, I am talking in the context of network
operations, not of Web access (where I accept that SSL dominates).

Tom Petch

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rodney Thayer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: Why not TLS was Re: [Syslog] Secure substrate - need your input


> Tom Petch wrote:
> > In the context of isms, ie SNMP, the choice was SSH v TLS + SASL; TLS
provides
> > the security but not the authentication while SSH does both.  And SSH is a
> > well-established protocol.
> >
> > I agree that TLS/SSL is the most widely used but that is because more people
> > access websites (securely) than access network devices.  If you limit
yourself
> > to network operations of network devices, then it appears to be
> > SSH a significant number
> > TLS so small as to be invisible
>
> A couple of comments -
>
> I disagree that TLS is rare.  TLS is common, in my experience, because
> many devices have web-based management interfaces and those are secured with
> TLS.
>
> Also, if your logic were correct, then all those SASL folks who hassled us
> TLS people into going with STARTLS/SASL/etc must have been wrong - this
> is one of those "the IETF can't declare both 1 and 0 to be truth, depending
> on which RFC you read" problems.
>
> OTOH you are using SOME standard protocol so I'm fine with SSH...
>
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