Understand; the knob and dial I was expecting to see and do not was for the
Sender.  I was expecting to be able to configure the Sender with where to send
what, what severity levels and such like.  Also, I was expecting to see
statistics from the Sender's point of view.  This is an insecure, unreliable
transport (UDP) so knowing what made it to the Collector is only half the story;
what left the Sender would tell us what did not make it or what got spoofed.

I will shut up for the time being and see if any one else chips in.  I do have
some comments on the SMI but that can wait until this is resolved.

Tom Petch


----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Mansfield Keeni" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Tom Petch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Syslog] draft-ietf-syslog-device-mib-07.txt


> Tom,
> >
> >
> > Getting there; recall that my initial problem is one of understanding what
it is
> > the MIB caters for.  I had expected the MIB to cater for a pure Sender, in
order
> > to configure it with where to send what, and I am slightly suprised at that
> > omission.  As ever, it is a question of reaching rough consensus on
questions
> > like this.
>
> Right. I will reword the answer.
> The MIB serves to monitor  entities that receive and/or forward syslog
messages
> e.g. the unix syslog daemon.
> Note that the MIB allows us to monitor all the syslog messages even if we do
not
> monitor senders. [There is nothing in the MIB that prohibits one from
monitoring
> the senders for syslog messages, but it is better done by monitoring the
entity
> that receives syslog messages (from multiple entities) and forwards some of
those
> messages].
> >
> > Likewise, grouping is not something I am familiar with, seeing rather a
single
> > Collector with proprietary features behind it to filter, disseminate etc.
>
> We are focussing on the simple and primary task of monitoring syslog messages
from
> syslog entities. The MIB will support several syslog daemons which are
probably using
> various transports (UDP{4|6}, TCP{4|6}, on standard and non-standard ports.).
This
> situation does arise in practice. I think that the MIB does take care of that
nicely
> using the concept of grouping.
>
> One good way to look at the MIB is as a collection of knobs and dials. Then we
can
> ask
>     a. Do we need another knob or another dial
>     b. Do we need this knob or that dial
> >
> > Tom Petch
> >
>
> Cheers
>
> Glenn
>
>
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