On Tue, 07.10.14 04:54, Barbieri, Gustavo (gustavo.barbi...@intel.com) wrote:
> > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lennart Poettering [mailto:lenn...@poettering.net] > > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 4:19 AM > > To: Barbieri, Gustavo > > Cc: Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek; systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org > > Subject: Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] sysusers.d: split files to > > cope with split packages. > > > > On Tue, 30.09.14 14:44, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > > (gustavo.barbi...@intel.com) wrote: > > > > > > systemd-timesyncd is ~400kb. Other binaries aren't too big > > > > either. Splitting everything up complicated things, and I'm not > > convinced > > > > that this is a useful change. > > > > > > indeed they are not big per se, but see my other email about > > tmpfiles, > > > they contribute to a misinterpretation of systemd. since they are > > > optional I want to make that clear and help the user to choose. > > > > > > I do have a complete set of packages for yocto that generates that > > > nicely and the final system size difference is huge: 7.5 to 30Mb > > > (whole system, not just systemd, but the dependencies, etc -- in > > > contrast sysvinit + busybox is 6.5Mb). > > > > > > as I wrote in the other email, I'll make sure that some packages > > are > > > highly recommended (ie: journal, udev, sysctl...), but forcing > > > > We don't support builds without journal or udev. We simply don't. > > I'm not trying to build without, just running without. Actually I'm > not using any of --disable-SERVICE_OR_DAEMON, I build with all of > them and let the user install or not the package -- thus the need > for different *files* :-) Well, no, we don't support that either. (With one exception: on systems that have no physical devices -- i.e. containers -- we skip udev.) > > Yes, timesyncd should definitely be optional, and so should > > resolved, > > that's true. I'd be OK with splitting those out on > > tmpfiles/sysusers, > > but would really prefer this to be done via m4, rather than in > > seperate files. > > As per above, I don't want to build without, rather build with all > and just package them in separate. In the recommended setup users > will get all they need. Just in cases where they remove (blacklist) > the "systemd-services-essential" they can run without those > (tmpfiles, sysusers...), I guess the name makes it clear they are > not something to mess with if you are unsure. > > Please help, this will be for good. The m4 macros just makes the > build system and packaging more difficult. It would only be useful > for systems like Gentoo. I'd be willing to merge a patch that splits this up for resolved, timesyncd. But not for udev or journald, sorry. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Red Hat _______________________________________________ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
