Lennart Poettering wrote on 27/10/14 18:11: > On Thu, 23.10.14 17:26, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) wrote: > >>> order it after basic.target (which things are by default anyway)... >>> >>> My proposal now, (which is the same Damien's as I understood him): >>> >>> 1. pam_systemd should sync on default.target >>> 2. by default default.target should just be an alias to basic.target. >>> >>> That way we have two things: >>> >>> a) as basic.target pulls in all sockets and busnames we know that >>> everything that needs to be listened on is listened on by the time >>> PAM succeeds >>> >>> b) if people really want they can change the default.target symlink to >>> something else and thus add additional services into this, that may >>> run after the sockets/busnames, but before PAM succeeds. >>> >>> Makes sense? >> Not to me. It still potentially delays user login a lot, because >> it conflates things which should be started by default with things >> which should be started before login completes. >> >> If I want to start a bunch of daemons whenever my systemd instance is >> running, I want to add them to default.target, that's what it is there >> for. I see a strong parallel with the system default.target: it >> specifies what should be launched on boot, but user logins are allowed >> much earlier. >> >> Maybe this should be made explicit and PAM should wait for a new >> user-login.target, which by default will simply have Wants=basic.target, >> but the user is free to add additional dependencies if they want to >> have more stuff running before they are allowed to log in. > > I see what you mean. But "user-" sounds like an unnecessary prefix, if > we are already in user context, no? > > Maybe just "login.target"?
Yeah this seems sensible to me. I certainly like it better than default.target It actually felt kinda weird using WantedBy=default.target seeing as this is typically a symlink under system-mode where we're much more used to using multi-user.target. Now that I've thought about it all, I'm not sure whether it is using WantedBy=default.target in user-mode that feels wrong, or NOT using WantedBy=default.target in system-mode that *should* feel wrong :p Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio Hacker http://www.pulseaudio.org/ Trac Hacker http://trac.edgewall.org/ _______________________________________________ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
