This embellishment thing is getting tiresome. I've yet to hear of a band
of vigilantes wanting penalties without a hearing. Most of us are just
getting damn tired of these "depends of what the menaing of is is"
defenses.

Many of us disagree with you, and believe an open process the only way
to go.

malmo



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard McCann
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:38 PM
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Cc: Martin J. Dixon
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Kelli White & narcolepsy


Yes, because my argument is about procedure and athlete's rights.  The 
vigilante attitude that athletes are guilty until proven innocent is 
ridiculous.  My comment was made in the obvious context that someone 
proposed that athletes record everything that they've ingested over
their 
entire careers.  There is no provision for human errors in such a 
policy.  To somehow make the anecdotal case of White's applicable to 
absolutely all other cases is ludicrous.  A universally legitimate and 
supportable drug enforcement policy must be able to account for human
foibles.

On a procedural point, the vigilantes wanted to immediately move forward

with penalties WITHOUT any ability of the athlete, White in this case,
to 
have a hearing.  Perhaps White did have a legitimate explanation.  NONE
of 
us had ANY knowledge of whether her explanation was true or not.  The 
vigilantes would just immediately move to the conclusion that she was 
guilty solely because she failed to declare the drug on the
precompetition 
list.

I agree that the Mondafil scandal is now expanding, and we don't yet
even 
understand the full implications of its use.   But the discovery of
wider 
use has come from drug testing, not whether an athlete has declared the 
drug or not.

RMc

At 02:40 PM 10/27/2003 -0800, t-and-f-digest wrote..
>Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:07:52 -0400
>From: "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: t-and-f: Kelli White & narcolepsy
>
>Given the most recent, and what is sure to be more, revelations, are we

>still going with this?
>
>Richard McCann wrote:
>
> > I don't know why we
> > should hold athletes to an even higher standard than ourselves--in 
> > fact I find it hypocritical.  You're implying that White should have

> > gone so far as record absolutely everything that she ingested--where

> > does she make the cutoff as to what to report?  She may not have 
> > realized that the drug had some type of stimulant.



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