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And there you have it Ladies & Gentlemen. Another example of what Hale & I
have been describing over the past couple three weeks. You either contact
the committee corporation by email or you come to the meetings and are
ignored. It doesn't matter. Then when either someone gets screwed or the
result of the committee corporations "great perspective" for the industry
creates yet another problem (remember how proud they are of looking out for
their vested interests), the result is as usual. "If you would have come to
the meetings"... "We couldn't have possibly been at fault." "You should
have submitted a proposal."
Note to Michael Eschmann who wrote,
" You are drawing these comments because all your doing is complaining
(politically) without bringing up the technical issues that you so espouse.
",
" If you have features that, for a fact, you know will
break then you should bring up the issue here and whenever you can.",
and
" You are correct that "People on the committee need to *responsibly*
consider
all aspects of a measure and *listen* to others who have knowledge outside
of the sphere of their expertise", however comparing the T13 responsibility
to that of a Congressman or Senator, stating that "We don't all go to
Washington DC to vote on each bill for our country" is downright humorous.
"
You can call it complaining, whining, or whatever you want, but it is my
opinion that the people on the committee *do* need to have a broad
perspective for the whole industry or listen to those, such as Hale and
others, who do. And that's been my point at this particular time. And both
Hale and I have given specific examples to make the point and why it is
important. And just as is usual for this committee, it's largely been
ignored. And I've wasted my time writing these three or four emails which
have met the same response as usual. "Bring a proposal ... Come to the
meetings ... blah ... blah ... blah".
People are not looking out for the whole industry and it's hurting everyone.
The SFF stuff is a prime example of that. Hale has pointed that a large
amount of time is still being spent rectifying those issues. Issues that he
attempted to point out at the time. I've already pointed out that when I
have something to say technically, I've brought proposals to the committee
and come to the meetings to discuss them, technically. Of course that was
a long time ago and, I've pointed out with examples how they were
"technically" addressed by the committee. Recently, I've sent what few
technical comments that I've had through Hale.
I'll bet that those people who work for smaller companies didn't find the
same humor that you did in that last comment. They can't count on companies
who write BIOS's or OEM's who manufacture PC's or *other* products that host
their products to support these "obsolete" features. They have to respond.
It's difficult for them to come to all the meetings for more reasons than
just the financial ones.
And please don't tell me (again) that you don't care about what happens to
other companies, I already know that.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hale Landis
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 1:39 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [temp t13] Re: INF-8020_history
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On Fri, 18 May 2001 10:46:42 pdt, Dal Allan wrote:
>None of your comments were made to SFF in a ballot on 8020.
At that time I was not working for an SFF member company nor was I
an SFF member. So my comments would not appear on any letter ballot
comment. As I said I sent several emails to the editors of SFF-8020
asking that they fix several problems: The DASP problem during SRST,
the Byte Count Limit problems, and several other things. I never
received a single reply to my messages and these problems in SFF-8020
were never fixed (the DASP/SRST problem was fixed in SFF-8020 rev
2.5).
>You have harsh words to say about several items being bad/wrong in SFF-8020
>but there is no record of any of these being raised during the development
>of ATAPI e.g. the word 'signature' appears nowhere in my personal records
of
>the ATAPI SSWGs and SFF meetings held in 1995 and 1996.
It is all water that is now in the ocean... It really doesn't matter
does it? The only result of the SFF-8020 problems was that T13 spent
a better part of a year trying to sort out those problems so that the
ATA/ATAPI-4 definition was "correct". And some of those problems
continue to take huge amounts of T13's time (about 2 hours at the
April 2001 meeting in Longmont). It is not the case that T13 is
trying to make up new and different things for ATAPI... No... T13 is
just trying to figure out how ATAPI should work and how it can be
made to work so that an ATAPI device is compatible with other ATAPI
devices and with ATA devices.
>This one time, let me set the record straight.
> - INF-8020 would never have been incorrect or misleading had
> issues been brought to light and submitted as comments
> during the development process.
Most of the things that are incorrect or very misleading in SFF-8020
were never fixed. This is why T13 has spent huge amounts of time
trying to get ATA/ATAPI-4, ATA/ATAPI-5 and now ATA/ATAPI-6 "correct".
If only a few of the problems in SFF-8020 had been fixed back in the
early SFF-8020 2.x documents many of these problems would not be
continuing to plague T13 today.
> - INF-8020 is the way it is because you and others decided not
> to get involved before it was published.
I tired many times, via email, to become involved and to point out
problems in SFF-8020. And I am sure there are other people with the
same story.
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