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Yet another  "Secret Society".
TC
On Monday, May 21, 2001, at 09:29 AM, Hale Landis wrote:

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> On Mon, 21 May 2001 08:07:31 -0700, Eschmann, Michael K wrote:
>> Come on Don, Please read ALL of both sides.  Hale believes that his 
>> messages
>> were ignored, but if you would read more than your point of view, Dal 
>> Allan
>> indicates that his messages did not come in while SFF8020 was being 
>> worked
>> and voted on.  If I may quote Dal: "Once the horse is out of the barn,
>> closing the door does not help".  MKE.
>
> Do be too hard on Don. He actually has it right. Just to set the
> record straight: At the time of the SFF-8020 revision 2.x development
> I was not a member of SFF and I was not working for a SFF member
> company. But during that time I did review most of the SFF-8020 draft
> documents, probably posted messages to the SFF reflector about
> problems in those documents. AND I sent private emails to the two
> people listed as the editors of SFF-8020. I might even have some of
> those emails on my old 386 system. As I said, I never received a
> single response and none of the problems I pointed out (except the
> SRST/DASP- problem) were ever fixed. And T13 is still fussing over
> some of those very same problems today, some 6+ years later.
>
> I don't really care what the "official" record says with respect to
> this because all of this happened  "outside" of meetings and prior to
> the letter ballot Dal talks about. We all know that most of the work
> of a committee like SFF or T13 or T10 is done outside of meetings and
> all you see in the committe minutes and letter ballot comments is the
> most abreviated description of what happened.
>
> For example, look at the minutes for the last T13 meeting (April
> 2001). I don't disagree with the desciption of the ATAPI discussion
> (item iv), and I know it would be difficult to capture everything
> that was said in a two hour discussion, but the description in the
> minutes is a very short summary of what happened. And I just noticed
> that those minutes don't include anything about the long discussion
> of ATAPI command sets that I count as part of the two hour ATAPI
> discussion. So going back 6 years to the minutes of SFF meetings and
> to the letter ballot comments for an SFF document is not going to
> give you even the slightest clue as to what really happened.
>
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