On Wed, 20 Jan 2010, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/1/20 Peter Childs <[email protected]> > > > In my book its easy. > > > > Cafe - Place to buy and consume light snacks and NON-Alcoholic Drinks > > (Tea, Coffee, Coke etc) on site. Usually Unlicensed. > > in many countries you will find alcohol in cafés as well. In a café I would > before all expect a professional coffee-machine and someone able to use it > properly. Then I would expect a certain style (chairs and tables), opened > usually from morning (or noon) to the evening, sometimes nighttime, almost > never till very late. "Snacks" I would usually replace with cake and > cookies. > > > Pub - Place to buy and consume Alcoholic Drinks on site, (may also > > retail Non-Alcoholic Drinks, Snacks and sometimes Food) > > might also retail alcoholic drinks (in Germany and Italy, they do all, > still a German "Pub" will look different (style) from what the Germans > (and not only) call an "Irish Pub", which is precisely corresponding to a > "Pub" in the UK/Ireland. Most of the "irish pubs" offer a small selection > of food and snacks, "german pubs" often don't offer food (unless they call > themselfes "restaurant"). They (mostly, nearly all) do offer draught beer. > > > Bar - Place to buy Alcoholic Drinks within a large establishment, > > maybe with a hotel, or holiday complex, may share its seating with > > other vendors. > > Bars, cafés, restaurants and pubs can all be inside hotels and holiday > complexes. You might also very often find a bar in pubs and cafés, usually > 1. in northern europe there are mainly "night bars" (I leave "milk bars" > out of this thread), i.e. mostly frequented at night, they will usually > have a professional bartender that mixes all kind of cocktails and > longdrinks, probably also have small concerts, sometimes are self service. > The seating will be bar stools at the counter and maybe lounge tables and > sofas for relaxing. Ususally no food (or just snacks). Sometimes the offer > draught beer, sometimes (probably more often) they don't. > > 2. in southern europe the bar concept is different and goes from breakfast, > lunch to "pre-dinner". They serve all kind of drinks (also alcoholic), and > often offer a small selection of dishes for lunch. In Italy many of them > also sell cigarettes. The main use is still serving coffee. They change > their use during the day: from (northern europe) café in the morning, to > lunch-time-place at noon (kind of cheap pasta restaurant / fast-food like > sandwiches) to a place to get an aperitiv before dinner. This kind of bar > is found in Italy, Spain, southern France, Portugal, ...). They will > (almost all) have a professional coffee machine. > > > Still these places vary from country/culture to culture. IMHO we should > continue the way we are going. E.g. I would recommend to tag an Italian bar > with amenity=bar but expect something different if I navigate to a Bar in > Rome than I would if I went to a Bar in Berlin. Let the mapuser interpret > the available information. All Italian Bars call themselves "bar". For an > Italian (casual) mapper it will be confusing to tag a bar with "café" (and > still "café" doesn't describe the place well, as an Italian Bar is not a > "Viennese Café"). > > Cheers, > Martin >
They are an excellent summary Martin. Because every country is quite different, in certain parts of Australia everything found in a cafe is in a bakery, so the cyclists meet there for coffee and even substantial meals, but never open late. (That includes the full size coffee machine :D ) _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list [email protected] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
