I still think the most important criterion is what the owner of the establishment says it is, not on the subjective judgement of the surveyor.
David On 20/01/2010 12:52, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/1/20 Peter Childs <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > In my book its easy. > > Cafe - Place to buy and consume light snacks and NON-Alcoholic Drinks > (Tea, Coffee, Coke etc) on site. Usually Unlicensed. > > > > in many countries you will find alcohol in cafés as well. In a café I > would before all expect a professional coffee-machine and someone able > to use it properly. Then I would expect a certain style (chairs and > tables), opened usually from morning (or noon) to the evening, sometimes > nighttime, almost never till very late. "Snacks" I would usually replace > with cake and cookies. > > > Pub - Place to buy and consume Alcoholic Drinks on site, (may also > retail Non-Alcoholic Drinks, Snacks and sometimes Food) > > > might also retail alcoholic drinks (in Germany and Italy, they do all, > still a German "Pub" will look different (style) from what the Germans > (and not only) call an "Irish Pub", which is precisely corresponding to > a "Pub" in the UK/Ireland. Most of the "irish pubs" offer a small > selection of food and snacks, "german pubs" often don't offer food > (unless they call themselfes "restaurant"). They (mostly, nearly all) do > offer draught beer. > > > Bar - Place to buy Alcoholic Drinks within a large establishment, > maybe with a hotel, or holiday complex, may share its seating with > other vendors. > > > > Bars, cafés, restaurants and pubs can all be inside hotels and holiday > complexes. You might also very often find a bar in pubs and cafés, usually > 1. in northern europe there are mainly "night bars" (I leave "milk bars" > out of this thread), i.e. mostly frequented at night, they will usually > have a professional bartender that mixes all kind of cocktails and > longdrinks, probably also have small concerts, sometimes are self > service. The seating will be bar stools at the counter and maybe lounge > tables and sofas for relaxing. Ususally no food (or just snacks). > Sometimes the offer draught beer, sometimes (probably more often) they > don't. > > 2. in southern europe the bar concept is different and goes from > breakfast, lunch to "pre-dinner". They serve all kind of drinks (also > alcoholic), and often offer a small selection of dishes for lunch. In > Italy many of them also sell cigarettes. The main use is still serving > coffee. They change their use during the day: from (northern europe) > café in the morning, to lunch-time-place at noon (kind of cheap pasta > restaurant / fast-food like sandwiches) to a place to get an aperitiv > before dinner. This kind of bar is found in Italy, Spain, southern > France, Portugal, ...). They will (almost all) have a professional > coffee machine. > > > Still these places vary from country/culture to culture. IMHO we should > continue the way we are going. E.g. I would recommend to tag an Italian > bar with amenity=bar but expect something different if I navigate to a > Bar in Rome than I would if I went to a Bar in Berlin. Let the mapuser > interpret the available information. All Italian Bars call themselves > "bar". For an Italian (casual) mapper it will be confusing to tag a bar > with "café" (and still "café" doesn't describe the place well, as an > Italian Bar is not a "Viennese Café"). > > Cheers, > Martin > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list [email protected] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
