Thanks, I think that I focused in an unfortunate tag for my proposal, and I think that I must reconsider this. Regrettably in my village, too shops have a short life (less than one year) and you can find fallen trees that hinders minor paths since four years (the big gale occurred in january 2009<http://www.elpuntavui.cat/noticia/article/1-territori/10-administracions/128353-la-generalitat-encara-no-ha-pagat-els-ajuts-als-municipis-afectats-per-la-ventada.html>, there were phone calls and instances to the local government). So I guess it's all relative. Ah! I'm a Linux user too ;)
I like the Rob's proposal because can do things more simples and useful. A description tag could be used for warning, and it could be better than an estatic tag. There was a proposal similar: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Hazard_warning I will think in it :) Regards, ALBERT 2012/10/10 Philip Barnes <[email protected]> > On Mon, 2012-10-08 at 18:59 +0200, Konfrare Albert wrote: > > Thanks Phil for your comments, > > > > I didn't create a discussion page within the OSM wiki because I only > > wanted make a proposal to OsmAnd's developers, for include a existing > > key in OSM to personalize calculating routes for pedestrians. When > > appeared complications because there wasn't a existing key in OSM, I > > decided to make a proposal for a key: my first proposal, I'm a > > rookie ;) > > > > I also thought that there are temporary parts in the proposal, but > > really there are many elements that are temporary: shops and offices > > that close, the traffic signals that are changed, broken bollards > > (that permite the pass), speed cameras that are changed of position, > > chopped trees, public transport that changes its route, etc... > Shops and offices are not really temporary, they change but over > relatively long periods of time. Bus routes are similar, they do not > change very often. > > We really should not be tagging broken bollards as the restriction they > are there to enforce are still there, and they will be fixed quickly > (even if its initially by placing a cone over the broken bollard. > > > > I think that the map always needs someone prepared to monitor the > > situation because elements will change continuously. > If we did that, we would have a much poorer map. There are not enough of > us to monitor everywhere with that frequency. If we only mapped places > we visit more than once a year, there would be huge holes in the map. > > > If a repair of bridge was two years in OSM, perhaps until then this > > information wasn't too important for nobody. > It is important that we get this right, this is where we are, or will > be, judged. The road in question is unclassified and in this case people > who do not know the are will just be taken a different way. But maybe a > user has seen it and gone back to a closed source satnav, we will never > know. > At present I suspect the number using OSM based satnav will make Linux > desktop usage seem a big success ( yes I am a linux user ), and I do not > want to buy another 'closed source' satnav. > > > > If you go to walk in a path with «dense vegetation» or with a «fallen > > tree», and you are disposed to cross it... > A tree across a path is something that will again be removed within at > most a week or so, if it is causing an obstruction. Otherwise the path > may move around it, but it is too short term to map, and if the path is > public then it is the responsibility of the local highway authority to > keep the path clear. Time will vary, especially after a big storm, but > in general its temporary and a phone call is better than mapping. > > Vegetation is seasonal, long grass will be gone by Autumn/Fall. If its > causing a real obstruction then report it. And carry some secateurs, so > you can trim it back a bit. > > > > Perhaps you will have a joy when you see that isn't the obstacle > > there ... conversely (if you unknown the difficulty) you could have a > > problem when you find this (also is problematic find a shop with > > OsmAnd -for example- and when you arrive, see that already it doesn't > > exist) > > Or we may deter someone from walking a perfectly clear path. > > > Phil > > > > > 2012/10/8 Philip Barnes <[email protected]> > > Please set up a discussion page within the OSM wiki, it is not > > acceptable to use google for such proposals. It excludes many > > OSM contributors from commenting. > > > > > > The proposal looks to me to be over complex and could deter > > new mappers, difficulty is very subjective. > > > > > > Other parts of the proposal are temporary, such as fallen > > trees. These will be removed in time, and unless someone is > > prepared to monitor the situation the map will become stale. > > Mapping such things is as crazy as mapping road works. A road > > example of this, I found last week. A bridge was closed for > > repairs, until further notice, 2 years ago. The repairs took a > > few weeks, but the closure was still there on OSM 2 years > > later. > > > > Again long grass, or crops are temporary. What is difficult in > > August will be gone by October. Again underfoot conditions are > > seasonal and relevant on the weather. > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Sent from my Nokia N9 > > > > > > > > > > > > On 08/10/2012 14:44 Konfrare Albert wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > This is the page of the proposal: > > > > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Difficult_Passability > > > > I'm not sure that this key could be the perfect solution for > > my proposal, but I'm very interested in the comments and > > discussion, and I desire that if is rejected perhaps this > > proposal helps somebody to find a best solution. > > > > Sorry for my bad english, I hope you can understand me. > > > > Thanks a lot! > > -- > > KONFRARE ALBERT > > La Konfraria de la Vila del Pingüí de La Palma > > WEB: http://www.konfraria.org > > TWITTER: http://twitter.com/La_Konfraria > > FACEBOOK: > > > http://ca-es.facebook.com/people/Konfraria-Vila-Del-Pingui/100001918952076 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Tagging mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > > > > > > > -- > > KONFRARE ALBERT > > La Konfraria de la Vila del Pingüí de La Palma > > WEB: http://www.konfraria.org > > TWITTER: http://twitter.com/La_Konfraria > > FACEBOOK: > > > http://ca-es.facebook.com/people/Konfraria-Vila-Del-Pingui/100001918952076 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Tagging mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- *KONFRARE ALBERT* La Konfraria de la Vila del Pingüí de La Palma WEB: http://www.konfraria.org TWITTER: http://twitter.com/La_Konfraria FACEBOOK: http://ca-es.facebook.com/people/Konfraria-Vila-Del-Pingui/100001918952076
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