On Mar 21, 2014, at 4:06 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 2014-03-20 19:24 GMT+01:00 Kytömaa Lauri <lauri.kyto...@aalto.fi>:
> They ("civil features") don't exist to produce income (even if they somewhat
> do) so the "commerce" part is missing, but they exist because the society has
> deemed that it's necessary to make the things that they do happen
>
>
> OK, this is interesting, and very broad.
> Would landuse=civic also include Concert-halls and theatres? Museums? But
> only if operated by the government or not for profit?
Civic, to me, is something for the the public good, or to serve the public.
Museums and concert halls, opera theaters, etc are usually for events for any
citizen, as opposed to disneyland, which is for disney. Many art galleries are
private and even if they are non=profit, you still have to pay to enter - so
there is not much distinction needed between public and private, if it is for
3rd party events that anyone can go to see. Most host rotating events or shows
that are an interest to the public.
Generally.
I think that civic is a good land choice, and it is a pretty broad category,
but I do like your idea of using a subtag to break it up. "Institutional" would
be the proper form of Institution.
Landuse=institutional + institutional=
- education
- medical
- civic_office
- civic_assembly
-civic_services
- Judicial
- civic_event_center might be a good additional one, for recreation centres,
(mixed use buildings with pools and other leisure amenities), community
centres, community halls, public sports centers, concert halls and event
buildings, stadiums, etc - even museums.
>
>
> What about a server farm? It's probably not "industrial", by common
> classification I think it is put into the tertiary sector, still it is
> clearly there to produce profit (like all the businesses in the tertiary
> sector, e.g. telcos, mass media, hospitality industry (hotels, ski resorts),
> etc.) so it won't merit the landuse=civic tag, and we are probably still
> missing at least another landuse tag for those, unless it's offices
> (commercial) or a waste dumping ground. Or would you see it included in
> "commercial"
A server farm is almost always a for-profit commercial building. it's a
building full of computers doing a big job for big corporations - jobs that
make those companies money (they hope). Amazon, Microsoft, Google, and Apple
all operate massive server farms, all doing for-profit work. Totally
commercial, just not an office.
physical waste is a byproduct of production, which is usually industrial - is
this for mining, like a tailing pile? A waste yard in a industrial plant is
just part of the landuse industrial, and the junk pile from the quarry is
usually part of the quarry, same with the mine. Are there industrial dump sites
that are separated from the source? if they were, wouldn't it always be
landuse=industrial - unless it was in the business of accepting other people's
garbage (and therefore a landfill?)
Ski park is tourism. Hotels are commercial, maybe with commercial=hospitality
subtag.
> The landuse tag is not about zoning, or in other words what you are allowed
> to build on a given plot, but rather what is the actual current usage (on the
> ground rule). Do not feel tempted to think that's the same, it often really
> isn't ;-)
+1
>
>
> landuse=leisure:
> -skiing park, zoo, theme park, or other tourist attraction.
>
>
> I think I understand what you are after, but I wouldn't put the word "tourist
> attraction" into the definition, because literally everything interesting can
> become a tourist attraction, I wouldn't see this as a class of objects on its
> own. A waterfall can be a tourist attraction, but this wouldn't make it a
> landuse=leisure, just like many churches are tourist attractions etc.
There is a tourism=theme_park / and leisure=water_park
Wouldn't a landuse=commercial commercial=tourism - be perfect for this kind of
stuff? of course, the waterfall (tree, rock, whatever) , if notable, would be
a point tourism=attraction in a park or forest, or a tag on an existing
structure that is popular with tourists. Right?
Javbw
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