On 16-Jan-17 07:36 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
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On 15 Jan 2017, at 22:26, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com
<mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>> wrote:
"Unprocessed wood"? What does that mean? Trees or parts of trees cut
down ... with nothing else done to them? Around we go... Do you have
a better definition that suits this application?
I'd say this disambiguation page of wp should very likely be corrected
because it not only contradicts the dictionary definition but also wp
owns definition that is given on the article page linked there, where
it states in the first paragraph: "*Lumber* (American English;^[1]
<http://localhost:50279/076DAA6E-CE2E-4453-95C4-E91AEC86288E/fileProxy/8742761706900465842-index.html#cite_note-1>
used only in North America), or *timber*(used in the rest of the
English speaking world^[2]
<http://localhost:50279/076DAA6E-CE2E-4453-95C4-E91AEC86288E/fileProxy/8742761706900465842-index.html#cite_note-2>
) is wood that has been processed into beams
<http://localhost:50279/wiki/Beam_%28structure%29> and planks, a stage
in the process of wood production
<http://localhost:50279/wiki/Wood_production>. "
That is ONE definition of timber.
There are many different definitions of timber depending on the use you
want to put the word to, some of these definition cannot be used for
other timber things.
Some timber definitions;
1) wood that has been processed into beams and planks, a stage in the
process of wood production.
2) wood that has been processed into wood chips, a stage in the process
of wood production.
3) wood that has been processed into plywood, a stage in the process of
wood production.
4) as warning yell given before a tree is felled.
5) the trees themselves.
6) personal character or quality.
7) a single beam or or piece of wood, or capable of forming, part of a
structure
8) (in a ships frame) one of the curved pieces of wood which springs
upwards and outwards from the keel, a rib
Disclaimer: I am not a native English speaker and have to resort to
dictionaries.
I resort to the dictionary to clarify what I think something means,
usually fuzzy, to a more precise definition and/or a better word
combination than I can derive in my head.
As a native English speaker I (and others in my experience) use 'timber'
to name felled trees, sitting on the ground, coming out of the forest,
or waiting for processing in some yard. It is one meaning, definition of
the word timber.
I also use the word to describe other things too, hence the need for a
description.
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A terrible example of more than one defintion?
The word 'right' has at least two basic definitions;
1) correct
2) the side of a person or thing that when faced north is to the east
(I got some of this out of my dictionary .. could not think of a good
description)
To insist that one definition needs to be corrected or removed ...would
be a denial of common use.
Same thing for 'timber' definitions.
The consumer selects the definition of the word to suit the context, by
adding a description on the OSMwiki page it should narrow the selection
to the one intended, hopefully.
Where the definition is missing or fuzzy the consumers can deviate from
what was intended, hence the need for a 'good' definition.
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The definition fro the OSM wikipage is for landuse=forest,
produce=timber ... (not cannot use produce=wood as that is already in
use and for areas that may have no produce output).
The basic thing that this definition needs to address is
What is the best definition of the 'a forest that produces timber' (not
product timber)?
The defintion needs to remove paper, processed wood (plywood, beams for
construction) as these do not come out of the forest itself - they come
out of a mill, they are products .. not produce in my mind.
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