There is a big difference between a limited number of binary options and essentially moving all values in to key space (and I can give a lot of reasons why it is a really really bad idea in a free form, user extendible tagging system).
But it seems to be rather off-topic in this thread in any case: I simply wanted to know if there is a clear characterisation of shop=fashion that can serve as disambiguation between it and shop=boutique and shop=clothes (with appropriate additional tags). We have one voice saying that it should be considered a cheap variant of boutique limited to clothes, and the others suggesting that it is an upmarket shop=clothes and that shop=boutique should have a broader not only clothes definition. One takeaway is that adding the "clothes" tag both to fashion and boutique would be a good idea. Simon Am 26.08.2017 um 13:53 schrieb Thilo Haug: > > Hi all, > > I'm in favor of a namespace solution, > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Namespace > e.g. > > ski:clothes=yes > surfing:clothes=yes > motorcycle:clothes=yes > any_other_sport:clothes=yes > > and so on. > > This way you may also tag other shops (not just shop=clothes) > in a way which exactly describes their offers, > in this example possibly a shop=sports. > > The same works also for other services they offer, > like > ski:repair=yes > ski:rental=yes > ski:parts=yes > > This way there's no need to create a new shop type > or decide whether it's MORE one type of shop (bicycle vs. motorcycle > vs. car or similar) > in case they offer very various things. > > Cheers, > Thilo > > > Am 26.08.2017 um 13:13 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: >> >> >> sent from a phone >> >> On 26. Aug 2017, at 11:15, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch >> <mailto:si...@poole.ch>> wrote: >> >>> the question turned up if shop=fashion (with 5000 something uses) >>> should not be deprecated (==not offered for new use) due to overlap with >>> shop=boutique (~11'000 uses) and shop=clothes, clothes=fashion (not >>> particularly popular with roughly 200 uses). It just doesn't seem to >>> have a good definition, which is already pointed out on the wiki page >>> (but without a conclusion). >> >> >> I'd see shop=fashion similar with shop=boutique, while shop=clothes >> is not particularly helpful if you're looking to buy clothes (too >> generic). I'd roughly see it like this: boutique expensive, fashion >> cheap(er), department store both, supermarket cheap ;-) >> >> What would I search for if I wanted to buy a suit or a shirt >> (department shops apart which will sell you anything)? Maybe a >> "boutique for men"? To buy gloves I'd try with a shop=bags? Or >> shop=leather? Or shop=sports? Or an outdoor shop? There are many >> places to buy clothes, cheap, casual, formal, according to the >> material, for work, gender, age, style, one brand/designer or >> multiple, or no (known) designer, discounter, different types of >> clothing (underwear, shirts, etc. >> I'm rather against reduction of top level shop types, there's IMHO a >> clear distinction between fashion shops and boutiques, with maybe >> some edge cases, but still useful overall. Nonetheless I agree that >> shop=clothes does require subtags to be more useful, but the current >> situation in the clothes key is not working: >> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/clothes#values >> There are many orthogonal, specific properties tagged, e.g. target >> group (women, men, children, babies), for specific occasions/uses >> (sports/wedding/workwear), materials (denim/fur), type >> (underwear/lingerie). Fashion would be yet another new category in >> this cauldron (with 111 uses it isn't really significant). >> >> cheers, >> Martin >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > -- > > Thilo Haug > Bismarckstr.37 > 72764 Reutlingen > > Mobil: +49 177 3185856 > Festnetz : +49 7121 3826414 > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
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