On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 7:49 PM, Volker Schmidt <vosc...@gmail.com> wrote: > Two nice examples of complex cases, which in my view would be best tagged > using the cycleway=lane tag and separate foot- and cycle-ways (both are at > present not yet correctly tagged in OSM)
Very nice examples indeed. But they are not very common. > mapillary.com/map/im/kRr5NPEzjLiwDsHWdAL-aw > (from left to right in the picture:)) > | oneway single lane road | one-way cycle lane (same direction) | segregated > cycle-foot-way with one-way bicycle lane in the opposite direction | Here the kerb is a physical barrier between the opposite directions of the cycleway, so it must be split into different lines. One direction is level with the road (it is a cycle lane), the other is physically separated from the main way (it is a cycle track) and is level with the sidewalk. There is no sidewalk between the two directions of cycling, so we must represent that somehow. Fortunately, simply adding sidewalk=left to the main way and sidewalk=right to the cycle track does the trick. Assuming the OSM's lines direction are the same as the viewing direction of those pictures (whenever oneway=-1 or oneway:bicycle=-1, one could just reverse the way and use oneway=yes or oneway:bicycle=yes instead): 1. Main way's line: - highway=residential/unclassified/tertiary/secondary/primary - oneway=yes - oneway:bicycle=yes - cycleway:left=no - cycleway:right=lane - sidewalk=left 2. Combined sidewalk/cycleway's line (case S4 [1]): - highway=cycleway - oneway=-1 - foot=designated - segregated=yes - sidewalk=right > mapillary.com/map/im/6Ga2jVWZUd9TNFssCIAb-g > (from left to right in the picture:) > > | separate side walk only for pedestrians (not visible) | oneway cycle lane > tords the camera | two-lane road with opposite directions | separate > cycle-foot-way with segregation | This changes the tags of the previous case as follows: 1. Main way's line: - oneway=no - oneway:bicycle=-1 - cycleway:left=lane - cycleway:right=no (or nonstandard cycleway:right=separate/sidepath for clarity) 2. Combined sidewalk/cycleway's line (case S4 [1]): - oneway=yes I just noticed that cycleway=sidepath, cycleway:left=sidepath and cycleway:right=sidepath are much more common than sidewalk=separate. So it might make more sense to suggest sidewalk=sidepath instead. [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle > On 18 January 2018 at 22:02, Fernando Trebien <fernando.treb...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> "Note that a cycle track may alternatively be drawn as a separate way >> next to the road which is tagged as highway=cycleway. Both methods >> each have their pros and cons. While adding a single tag to an >> existing way takes less time and still often describes the cycle track >> accurately, a separately tagged cycle way is generally more flexible >> and allows to capture more detail. When mapping a cycle track as its >> own way, do not use any of the tags described below. " >> >> I think this means that, when trying to represent in OSM a road with a >> parallel cycle track, if the track is mapped as a different line with >> highway=cycleway, you should not add cycleway=* on the main road's >> line. >> >> Or is it about a road with both a cycle lane AND a parallel cycle >> track? If it is so, there would be no need to discuss pros and cons of >> either method (tag on main way vs separate way), one should surely use >> cycleway=lane on the main way and also map the parallel track as a >> separate line. >> >> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 3:30 PM, Dave F <davefoxfa...@btinternet.com> >> wrote: >> > You've either misread the paragraph or misused the asterisk. >> > >> > Roads can have a separate cycle path running parallel to it *and* a >> > designated cycle lane in the road. >> > >> > DaveF >> > >> > >> > On 16/01/2018 19:31, Fernando Trebien wrote: >> >> >> >> Second paragraph here: >> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway#Cycle_tracks >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Dave F <davefoxfa...@btinternet.com> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> On 15/01/2018 14:47, Fernando Trebien wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> The wiki also says that, when mapping a parallel cycleway as a >> >>>> parallel line, one should not use the cycleway=* tag on the motorised >> >>>> way >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> For clarity, could you confirm which wiki page that is written. >> >>> >> >>> DaveF >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Tagging mailing list >> >>> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Fernando Trebien >> +55 (51) 9962-5409 >> >> "Nullius in verba." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Fernando Trebien +55 (51) 9962-5409 "Nullius in verba." _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
