To Thilo's questions:
1) amenity=printer is for an establishment that offers printing services.
It is not a shop that sells printers.
2) service=computer is a tag on an establishment that lets you use its
computer(s) while you are there, possibly for a fee. Similarly for
service=phone. It is not for shops that sell computers (or phones).
John
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Today's Topics:
1. Shops that sell printer ink cartridges (Fredrik)
2. Re: Shops that sell printer ink cartridges (Thilo Haug)
3. Re: Shops that sell printer ink cartridges (Tom Pfeifer)
4. Re: Shops that sell printer ink cartridges (Graeme Fitzpatrick)
5. Re: Shops that sell printer ink cartridges (marc marc)
6. Re: Shops that sell printer ink cartridges (Thilo Haug OSM)
7. "service" tags in general (for shops) (Thilo Haug OSM)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 13:04:15 +0100
From: Fredrik <li...@0v.no>
To: tagging@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Tagging] Shops that sell printer ink cartridges
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I came across shops that sell printer ink on taginfo [1] and saw they
were split in three.
shop=ink (42)
shop=ink_cartridge (13)
shop=printer_ink (12)
I created this wikipage [2] for shop=printer_ink and was wondering what
the list thinks.
shop=printer_ink sounds the clearest in meaning of the three and the
other values should be converted to this.
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FredrikLindseth
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[1] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=ink#values
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dprinter_ink
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:42:08 +0100
From: Thilo Haug <th...@gmx.de>
To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
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Subject: Re: [Tagging] Shops that sell printer ink cartridges
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IMHO there are no shops selling BUT printer ink, so a subtag might be more
useful :
printer:ink=sales
printer:ink=refill
printer:repair=yes
printer:sales=yes
and so on...
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Am 23. Februar 2018 13:08:59 schrieb Fredrik <li...@0v.no>:
> I came across shops that sell printer ink on taginfo [1] and saw they
> were split in three.
>
> shop=ink (42)
>
> shop=ink_cartridge (13)
>
> shop=printer_ink (12)
>
> I created this wikipage [2] for shop=printer_ink and was wondering what
> the list thinks.
>
> shop=printer_ink sounds the clearest in meaning of the three and the
> other values should be converted to this.
>
> --
>
> FredrikLindseth
>
> openstreetmap.org/user/FredrikLindseth
>
>
> [1] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=ink#values
>
> [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dprinter_ink
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 21:46:01 +0100
From: Tom Pfeifer <t.pfei...@computer.org>
To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
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Subject: Re: [Tagging] Shops that sell printer ink cartridges
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On 23.02.2018 14:42, Thilo Haug wrote:
> IMHO there are no shops selling BUT printer ink, so a subtag might be
more useful :
Not sure what the "but" means in your sentence. If you doubt that there are
shops being specialized
in selling nothing but ink, I know some.
> printer:ink=sales
> printer:ink=refill
> printer:repair=yes
> printer:sales=yes
>
> and so on...
The "and so on" indicates the problem. I am against turning OSM into a shop
inventory or an ontology
of all products on the planet. I agree with Frederik below and his
shop=printer_ink favourite.
> Am 23. Februar 2018 13:08:59 schrieb Fredrik <li...@0v.no>:
>
>> I came across shops that sell printer ink on taginfo [1] and saw they
>> were split in three.
>>
>> shop=ink (42)
>>
>> shop=ink_cartridge (13)
>>
>> shop=printer_ink (12)
>>
>> I created this wikipage [2] for shop=printer_ink and was wondering what
>> the list thinks.
>>
>> shop=printer_ink sounds the clearest in meaning of the three and the
>> other values should be converted to this.
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 09:03:49 +1000
From: Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefi...@gmail.com>
To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
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Subject: Re: [Tagging] Shops that sell printer ink cartridges
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On 24 February 2018 at 06:46, Tom Pfeifer <t.pfei...@computer.org> wrote:
> On 23.02.2018 14:42, Thilo Haug wrote:
>
>> IMHO there are no shops selling BUT printer ink, so a subtag might be
>> more useful :
>>
>
> Not sure what the "but" means in your sentence. If you doubt that there
> are shops being specialized in selling nothing but ink, I know some.
>
> printer:ink=sales
>> printer:ink=refill
>> printer:repair=yes
>> printer:sales=yes
>>
>> and so on...
>>
>
> The "and so on" indicates the problem. I am against turning OSM into a
> shop inventory or an ontology of all products on the planet. I agree with
> Frederik below and his shop=printer_ink favourite.
I can back Tom up here - I know of one business in our area (& there are
*many* others) who's warehouse is full of nothing but printer cartridges -
they don't sell or repair printers & I don't think they even refill
cartridges, they just sell them!
+1 to Fredrick's shop=printer_ink
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 23:51:48 +0000
From: marc marc <marc_marc_...@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Tagging] Shops that sell printer ink cartridges
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> On 24 February 2018 at 06:46, Tom Pfeifer wrote:
> I am against turning OSM into a shop inventory
In fact, you're still making an inventory in shop=*
so the question is not if we need to do it but how.
Listing all possible values in shop=* means that each tool
must provide a sorting by category if it wants to organize
the data and make life harder for the majority of shop that
have more than one product..
a schema like shop=first_level + first_level=second_level etc.,
avoiding the need for each application to do so.
Regards,
Marc
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 12:39:49 +0100
From: Thilo Haug OSM <th...@gmx.de>
To: tagging@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Shops that sell printer ink cartridges
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I didn't get the point of this comment,
do you got an example ?
Am 24.02.2018 um 00:51 schrieb marc marc:
> Listing all possible values in shop=* means that each tool
> must provide a sorting by category if it wants to organize
> the data and make life harder for the majority of shop that
> have more than one product..
> a schema like shop=first_level + first_level=second_level etc.,
> avoiding the need for each application to do so.
Regarding
"I am against turning OSM into a shop inventory or an ontology of all
products on the planet. I agree with Frederik below and his
shop=printer_ink favourite." :
I didn't want to propose to list all products (or even variants of them)
of a shop=supermarket, shop=doityourself or shop=electronics,
just to give a possibility to mention another "main shop" is also
providing this "service" (or product) of a "specialised" one
(In OSM usually done by a namespace, example : social_facility).
I think the number of shops that are specialised in only one
product/service is much lower than that of shops providing several.
Example : shop=seafood (may be sold by a variety of other shops).
So IMHO the goal of this discussion is to find those attributes (or
services) which apply to several shops and are of general interest.
In the "seafood" example it's the question whether this needs to be
split up in types of seafood or not, but time will show if people feel
the need.
But this might be solved by simply offering seafood:type=* (not to make
a subtag for every type).
In non-food cases, there will mainly be the offer of selling, renting,
repairing and (spare) parts,
so this could be used for a "general" scheme.
In the printer example, it is obvious that there might be more than ink
which could be interesting,
there's even the tag amenity=printer (doesn't make sense to me).
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 12:53:26 +0100
From: Thilo Haug OSM <th...@gmx.de>
To: tagging@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Tagging] "service" tags in general (for shops)
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Hello all,
instead of debating every single shop (details),
I'm in favor of using a name scheme which applies to all (kind "grammar"
for it).
In the context of the printer_ink shop discussion I stumbled on the
"service" tags of
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dcopyshop
IMHO service:computer=yes/no or service:phone=yes/no
doesn't make sense at all, as nobody knows WHICH "service" is meant.
It would be better to take the "main" tag (of shop=*) as the leading item,
such as
computer:sales=yes/no
computer:parts=yes/no
computer:repair=yes/no
computer:rental=yes/no
computer:[whateverrismeantby"service"]=yes/no
...and to use this scheme for all shop services.
Cheers,
Thilo
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