I agree that it sounds round, but looking at google results I find that this use of circular route is extremely common.
2018-05-28 11:04 GMT+02:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > I don't think 'circular' is the best word... implies round .. and at least > some are not round. > continuous_route? > looped_route? > > > > On 28/05/18 18:24, Peter Elderson wrote: > > I think for waymarked circular trails the UK English meaning is not too > far off. The waymarks and often available map/leaflet/booklet/description > do indeed bring you back to the starting point. (Remember the walking_bus > discussion?) > > Having said that, I think circular_route is more to-the-point, it targets > the route itself instead of the service. I have asked the Dutch community > for input on retagging roundtrip=yes (for foot/hiking/cycling routes) to > circular_route=yes, and using closed_loop=yes for the purpose of validation. > > 2018-05-28 10:01 GMT+02:00 Jo <winfi...@gmail.com>: > >> I only saw the discussion in this thread, came to the conclusion I (and >> probably many other Dutch and German speakers) had interpreted the meaning >> completely wrong. >> >> The tag is indeed meaningless, as it stands. Especially for public >> transport, where it really doesn't matter. We're describing itineraries. >> For hiking/cycling it's a misnomer. So it would be good to phase it out. >> >> What I'm trying to accomplish, while we're doing that is to not only >> replace it with circular_route, to indicate intent, but to also add a tag >> that validators can use to perform validation. >> >> Jo >> >> 2018-05-28 9:54 GMT+02:00 Volker Schmidt <vosc...@gmail.com>: >> >>> Have you seen the discussion on the roundtrip tag [1]? >>> It looks as if there are two different roundtrip concepts in use: >>> For hiking or cycling routes it means that the route you follow brings >>> you back to the starting point with the outwards route and the return route >>> (mostly) different. >>> in a traffic service round trip is often used to indicate a service >>> "there and back" >>> "roundtrip=yes|no" is an unfortunate choice of key as it has wo >>> meanings, mainly ccording to which side of the Atlantic Ocean you are. but >>> its in use about 25k times. >>> It might have been better to have something like "loop=yes|no" for >>> hiking and cycling routes. >>> For bus|underground|tram lines it might have been better to use >>> something like "geometry=linear|circular|..." for transportation routes. >>> >>> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:roundtrip >>> >>> On 28 May 2018 at 08:52, Jo <winfi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> From what I gathered during this discussion, roundtrip is mostly >>>> understood and used wrongly by mappers. >>>> >>>> It's also not something about the route, but rather about a passenger >>>> who buys a ticket to come back the same way the same day/weekend and paying >>>> the return fare on the same ticket (aller/retour - heen- en terug). >>>> >>>> So I went and downloaded all objects tagged with roundtrip. The one I >>>> changed needed major clean up in its members anyway. >>>> >>>> So how do we get from a meaningless tag (roundtrip) to something that >>>> actually has meaning for itineraries? >>>> >>>> I think that on the one hand we need a tag to describe what the user >>>> can expect (get back to approximate initial position) and on the other hand >>>> it would be nice (for validation purposes) to know if the ways in the >>>> relation are supposed to form a closed loop. >>>> >>>> hence: >>>> circular_route=yes >>>> closed_loop=no >>>> >>>> for that particular bus route. >>>> >>>> Polyglot >>>> >>>> 2018-05-28 7:47 GMT+02:00 <osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au>: >>>> >>>>> The real question, which as far as I can tell you haven’t answered, >>>>> is: Does that same vehicle, after completing its route, start at the >>>>> beginning of the same route again? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Based on your description, the route as mapped is A1->B->C->D->E->A2. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Can I get on at E, stay on the vehicle, and get off at B? (In which >>>>> case I would expect that after finishing at A2, the vehicle goes to A1, >>>>> and >>>>> you can remain on board during that time. A2 may be (but doesn’t have to) >>>>> an “exit only” and A1 and “entry only” stop). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If yes, then it is roundtrip=yes. And you shouldn’t just remove an >>>>> existing tag that actually applies. >>>>> >>>>> If no, then the roundtrip=yes is wrong and should be removed. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Jo <winfi...@gmail.com> >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 28 May 2018 15:13 >>>>> *To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools < >>>>> tagging@openstreetmap.org> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Tagging] roundtrip >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> An example of a (bus) route that goes out and comes back to the same >>>>> location. It's not circle shaped at all, but that shouldn't matter for >>>>> circular route. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I removed roundtrip=yes and replaced it with >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> circular_route=yes >>>>> >>>>> closed_loop=no >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If the last way wouldn't be in there, closed_loop would be yes. But >>>>> the first and the last bus stops are not exactly opposite one another. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2018-05-27 6:22 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson <ba...@ursamundi.org>: >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 5:41 AM, Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I wish you a happy trip on that bus, hope it has toilets and a >>>>> tolerable coffee machine >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Oh, you sweet, summer child. 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