I agree that it is theoretically a problem for the software not to use access:bicycle=yes (for example) instead of bicycle=yes. I believe I've seen (from Thorsten?) a list of such tags, as a hierarchy. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access#Land-based_transportation
Data consumers always have this problem with OSM's free-form tagging. I'm not sure the list above is comprehensive. All the tags you propose would work just fine in combination with access=no, followed by the specific vehicle types and/or conditional tags. BTW, I have deduced through observation that certain "wild" access tags are the equivalent of access=no + [access_type]=yes. So, for example, a simple "access=bicycle" means "bicycle only" which is equivalent to the standard access=no + bicycle=yes. Your "local bus" example translates to access=no local_bus=yes ... if you feel it is necessary to make a distinction between local buses (permitted) and non-local buses (forbidden). I think you are correct that the psv=yes tag covers all buses. If you have a "typical" living street (pedestrians, bicycles) with local buses also permitted but no other vehicles (including non-local buses), you would have: access=no local_bus=yes pedestrian=yes bicycle=yes ... but then again you might want to consider: trash collection vehicles? emergency vehicles? other local public service vehicles (taxis for example)? John On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 1:19 PM Lionel Giard <lionel.gi...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm not seeing much difference seeing "designated=bicycle" versus the > in-use combinaison "bicycle=designated" (same for the other common tag like > motor_vehicle) except that the first one would use a different "access > paradigm" than everything else. That's not really a simplification to me, > and i don't understand the reason that you would use that. Is there really > a big problem in the processing of such access tag by software ? > > For the very specific employee access, why is it better to use the > "designated subtag" instead of using a "private=Repsol workers" subtag ? As > most employees-only access are tagged via access=private. > > Le dim. 9 sept. 2018 à 12:46, Philip Barnes <p...@trigpoint.me.uk> a > écrit : > >> Local bus is already covered by the psv tag, public service vehicle. >> >> I assume by schoolar you mean scholar? I would consider scholar an >> outdated term, something my grandparents used to say. It is more common to >> refer to students in modern English, which I believe is what you have in >> Spanish? >> >> Phil (trigpoint) >> >> On 9 September 2018 10:08:42 CEST, yo paseopor <yopaseo...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi! >>> >>> When I tag the access to a way reading the meaning of the traffic sign I >>> miss some specific conditions. I know I can do it at general times with key >>> access, but in specific cases access is so "small for me". There are also >>> conditional tags but with these two keys I don't arrive to cover local >>> meanings and situations of restriction to some vehicles (example, you have >>> a living street, which is only allowed for the LOCAL bus line, nor the >>> other buses. So you can't tag it with bus=yes or bus=designated within the >>> complete meaning of the restriction given you by the traffic sign. >>> >>> For these situations I propose to "flip" designated value and convert it >>> to a subkey. In that way you would have an escalable subkey that you can >>> complete with the specific information of that tag. This key will be >>> together with the combination access=designated so you can complete the >>> information of the specific designation >>> >>> access=designated >>> designated=local_bus >>> >>> designated=bicycle >>> designated=motor_vehicle >>> designated=pedestrian >>> designated=Mo-Fr 9:00-9:30 >>> designated:en=schoolars only >>> designated:ca=Només escoles >>> designated:es=Solo escuelas >>> >>> This also applies for other uses like some restrictions done by "marks" >>> (Example: in a industrial zone you have some private ways...but private of >>> who? In the reality you will have a traffic sign it says you who can pass >>> or who cannot) >>> With normal access scheme you would say...repsol_workers=yes but Would >>> it better if I can specify the "specific designation" ? >>> >>> access=designated >>> designated=Repsol workers >>> >>> >>> hey! but you have access tags yes/no to do that! ...And the software has >>> to guess which of the 32 keys with yes=no is for access . For general >>> purposes it's ok. But for an specific case the software can read this >>> designated value. >>> >>> What do you think? >>> Salut i accessos designats (Health and designated access) >>> yopaseopor >>> >> >> -- >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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