On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 11:10 AM Adam Franco <adamfra...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 8:04 PM Kevin Kenny <kevin.b.ke...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Slightly off topic: vie ferrate are not a familiar thing in the >> mountains near me. >> Does >> http://aspiringfortysixer.com/Upper_Lower_Wolfjaw,_Armstrong_%26_Gothics_files/P1010309.jpg >> count? > > > I wonder this as well. I don't have any direct experience with Via Ferratas, > but reading these two pages makes me think that the term seems to be used for > more involved routes than a short set of stairs or hand-holds: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Via_ferrata > https://chamonixallyear.com/what-need-via-ferrata-in-chamonix/
How short is 'short'? Other people's GoPro video (I haven't done that route myself yet) suggests that the section with cables is at least a few hundred metres. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj5ZJUSUsiU I *think* I understand 'via ferrata' as being 'there are aids permanently affixed so that travelers with minimal technical climbing skills can complete what would otherwise be a technical route' with a strong implication that use of the aids is needed for safety - a typical climber would need to be roped otherwise. Yes, I know people who waltz up YDS 5.8 (UK: Hard Very Severe) free solo, but I'm not one of them! If I understand the definition correctly, this route is right on the borderline. From what I see in the videos, I'd feel comfortable in summer going up it using the cable as a hand line, but I'd appreciate the cables because I know that the rock in those mountains is slick! In winter, I'd bring a harness and enough webbing and 'biners to throw Bachmanns or Klemheists over the cables. If the fixed cables wseren't there, I'd want to protect the route if doing it with ice tools and crampons. The route is way over on the technical side of 'hiking,' but far to the novice end of 'climbing'. _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging