Hello everyone, this is a late addition to this thread (I'll start a new one soon after I improve the proposal page), but I want to give an example of a crossing that has lights but no markings that is traversed by (guessing) thousands of people per day: https://www.bing.com/maps?osid=0fa511ff-b1e5-4011-b16c-d96c0c4ce8a5&cp=47.611664~-122.336542&lvl=19&dir=251.4678&pi=-22.174986&style=x&mo=z.0&v=2&sV=2&form=S00027. Despite having a lot of interesting art, there is no way to distinguish the crossing location from non-crossing locations via markings on the ground.
This is topical, as crossing=traffic_signals is often claimed to imply crossing=marked. On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 2:08 PM Nick Bolten <nbol...@gmail.com> wrote: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/crossing:signals > > Hello fellow tagging enthusiasts! > > This proposal suggests the deprecation of crossing=traffic_signals and > replacing it with crossing:signals=yes, i.e. placing pedestrian > signalization on a dedicated tag that is separate from crossing=* values. > > The current values for the crossing=* tag are not orthogonal: > crossing=traffic_signals is not actually orthogonal to > crossing=uncontrolled or crossing=unmarked, for example. This presents a > significant challenge to understanding the meaning of these tags and in > creating properly descriptive tags on map elements. For example, let's take > three attributes of a pedestrian crossing: signalization for pedestrians, > signalization for traffic, and markings on the ground. What do > crossing=uncontrolled/unmarked/traffic_signals say about these scenarios? > > crossing=uncontrolled: > - signalization for pedestrians is undefined > - signalization for traffic *should* not exist, but due to confusions > over the meaning of the tag, might. > - markings are implied, but due to confusions over the meaning of the > tag, might not not. > > crossing=unmarked: > - signalization for pedestrians is undefined > - signalization for traffic is undefined > - there are no markings > > crossing=traffic_signals > - signalization for pedestrians: yes > - signalization for traffic is undefined > - markings are undefined > > So, you can see the problem: the values are describing completely > different things and the rest is ambiguous. > > I'm interested in any/all feedback regarding this tag proposal! Thank you > for your time! > > Best, > > Nick > > > >
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