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29 Jul 2019, 09:20 by [email protected]:
> ym to document the date when total disagreement was reached, the number of
> days that took and how many mails were sent?
>
> Vr gr Peter Elderson
>
>
> Op ma 29 jul. 2019 om 08:49 schreef Tobias Zwick <> [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> >:
>
>> One or several wiki edits should stand at the end of every tagging
>> discussion, to document the conclusions made.
>>
>> Tobias
>>
>> On July 29, 2019 8:37:25 AM GMT+02:00, Warin <>> [email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>>> > wrote:
>> >Err .. sent to tagging list, so response here. Not to worry, a little
>> >more chatter.
>> >(Should there be a wiki edit list? Or would 'we' all then have to join
>> >that well as the tagging list? Anyone not want to be part of the
>> >discussions on wiki edits possibly of relevance to tagging? )
>> >
>> >On 29/07/19 16:13, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
>> >
>> >> (Not sent to tagging list)
>> >>
>> >> I think the idea was that a tree with a proper name is an important /
>> >> landmark tree?
>> >>
>> >> Perhaps you crazy Europeans name your special trees, eg King George's
>> >Oak?
>> >>
>> >> The other suggestion was to use "landmark=yes" but this key is also
>> >> not recommended. Someone needs to check how denotation=cluster is
>> >> actually used now days.
>> >
>> >Correct. I looked it up. :)
>> >
>> >The key denotation is meant for special trees .. see
>> >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:denotation
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:denotation>
>> >
>> >So I have changed the wiki again . to simply direct 'special tree'
>> >tagging to that page.
>> >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:denotation%3Dcluster
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:denotation%3Dcluster>
>> >
>> >If people want to mention names .. the denotation page would be the
>> >better place for it.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Joseph
>> >>
>> >> On 7/29/19, Warin <>> [email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>>> > wrote:
>> >>> On 29/07/19 15:26, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
>> >>>> I've edited the page:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 1) I reworded some of the helpful changes that Mateusz Konieczny
>> >just
>> >>>> made, for better English style.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2) I've removed the implication that de facto / approved are
>> >>>> "recommended" and that "deprecated" / "discardable" etc. are "not
>> >>>> recommended".
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I also removed the suggestion that "de facto" tags are supported by
>> >>>> rendering / routing / editing software - while this is usually
>> >true,
>> >>>> it isn't what determines if a tag is given "de facto" status.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 3) I removed "obsolete" status from the list with
>> >deprecated/discouraged.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> However, I now think I figured out what this status is supposed to
>> >>>> mean: it's supposed to be used for tags that were deprecated, but
>> >now
>> >>>> no longer even appear in the database, so the wiki page is only for
>> >>>> historical information.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Do we really need a special status for this, or should is it ok if
>> >I
>> >>>> retag the 6 tags with this status to "deprecated"?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Tag_descriptions_with_status_%22obsolete%22
>>
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Tag_descriptions_with_status_%22obsolete%22>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> - Tag:abandoned=yes - recommended replacement abandoned:*=* - used
>> >34,000
>> >>>> times
>> >>>> - Tag:amenity=Kneippbecken - approved replacement is
>> >>>> amenity=kneipp_water_cure - used 0 times
>> >>>> - Tag:man_made=power_hydro / Tag:man_made=power_nuclear /
>> >>>> Tag:man_made=power_wind - use power=generator, generator:source=*
>> >>>> instead - used a couple of times only.
>> >>>> - Tag:denotation=cluster - for special trees. Recommend to use
>> >name=*
>> >>>> instead with natural=tree. Had been down to 0 uses at one point,
>> >but
>> >>>> now there are a few hundred?
>> >>> Gah! use name=* for something other than the name? No. Use the
>> >description
>> >>> key for that.
>> >>> Edited wiki to remove this suggestion.
>> >>>
>> >>>> So only amenity=Kneippbecken and man_made=power_* really fit the
>> >>>> "obsolete" status, though there are a number of tags currently with
>> >>>> "deprecated" that are also no longer found in the database.
>> >>>>
>> >>> Once something has been 'depreciated' but now has little to no
>> >presence then
>> >>> 'obsolete' is a good status for it.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >
>> >
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