On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 9:44 AM Martin Koppenhoefer <[email protected]> wrote: > Maybe you can see (and map) the state park as one thing and the nature > reserve within it as another? For the state park you would need to say it is > a state park and has this name and or number (usually there will be an > identifier, maybe it’s not strictly necessary). The nature reserve within > would already be spatially connected, but if it is an explicit constituent > part of the park that would maybe be too weak? Is the nature reserve managed > by the state or a different government level?
Sure, detailed mapping inside the parks is possible and encouraged! The fundamental problem has been how to tag the whole park - because that's what the name is bound to, and many of the areas inside are less formal - the parks department has decided to keep the 'nature reserve' part in a natural state for hiking and bird watching, but it's not otherwise a 'nature reserve' with formal protection. They hypothetically could choose a different management strategy under a different administration. (In practice, they don't. You can't turn that ship very fast.) In an earlier message (I see that you've not been following the whole thread, which is getting pretty long so I don't blame you) I mentioned Bear Mountain State Park https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6467468 as being fairly typical of a 'complex' example, where the larger-scale mapping is starting to come along. (With many of these parks, we're still doing well just to get them on the map in the right places!) Most State Parks are simpler, but I choose this example because it's the sort that appears to have nearly "one of everything." It's a complex object; 'park', 'nature_reserve', 'recreation_ground', 'national_park' are all inaccurate. It's best to give it a border, a name, a protection status, and call it a day. I contend that the current tagging of https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6467468 is close to 'best current practice'. It's important to emphasize 'current' here - the numeric protection classes are what the Wiki currently recommands, and what New York currently uses. That's subject to change, and the other posters in this thread are demanding such change. (That's fine, but my original objective was to clarify best *current* practice!) (Details follow. Stop here if not interested, but a few paragraphs detailing the sort of complexities encountered are probably in order.) The park's border is complex, because the village of Fort Montgomery and the hamlet of Jones Point are 'inside' the park. (Not quite inside, topologically, and not owned or administered by the park, but you have to drive on roads with park land on either side to get to them) The parts of the park that see the greatest number of visitors are the developed sections - the northeast area, near the bridge over the Hudson, and the scenic drive and observation tower on Bear Mountain itself (the peak west of Hessian Lake). The main developed area includes two formal historic preserves (Fort Clinton and Fort Montgomery - note the 'museum' icons at high zoom levels), a zoo, swimming and boating facilities, a large grassy area for informal athletic events, a carousel, several playgrounds, two inns (one of which also offers group accommodations in large cabins), a ranger station and various other PoI's. It disallows camping, but camping is available at the larger Harriman State Park, coterminuous to the west. (The nearest authorized 'back country' campsite is West Mountain, in a cutout from the park on the southwest side. The nearest 'front country' camping is at Silver Mine and Lake Tiorati, a short distance to the southwest on Seven Lakes Drive (Road, Parkway; it's the same road, and the signage is inconsistent). The park also embeds an ecological research reserve (Iona Island - on the Hudson River, on the east side of the rail grade. There are other historic sites embedded in the park, such as the ghost town of Doodletown (the last inhabitants were finally forced out in the 1960's; the cemeteries are still maintained, and the waterworks still serve Jones Point, Iona Island and Buckberg), the never-completed Dunderberg Spiral Railway https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2138097 (an insane nineteenth-century plan to build what would have been the world's longest roller-coaster right to the present day; the plan was torpedoed when the Columbian Exposition of 1892 went to Chicago instead of New York), and many abandoned mines, including a failed attempt by Thomas Edison at electromagnetic refinement of iron ore. _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
