old_name=Old Route 7 ... perhaps this should more correctly be old_name=Route 7
If it does not appear on signs but locals refer to it as such then
local_name=Old Route 7
And then add 'comment=local name is used verbally, not on signs as yet.'
???
On 31/1/20 9:22 am, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
Are we agreed that something like "Old Route 7" has become a name?
I'd generally suggest tagging that as noname=yes old_ref=US 7
I find that strange. It's no longer a ref. It won't have a "US 7" sign
anywhere on it, because it is not part of "US 7".
How would a map renderer label this with a ref "shield", especially if
the language is not English?
The road system in the USA is not always sensible enough to fit in a box.
There are many things that don't fit in OSM, either they are not meant to be
fitted or there is probably some obscure tag that is what your after.
- Joseph Eisenberg
On 1/31/20, Paul Johnson <ba...@ursamundi.org> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:15 PM Kevin Kenny <kevin.b.ke...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:50 PM Richard Fairhurst <rich...@systemed.net>
wrote:
Honestly, there is, and it's as Paul and I have described - you put the
ref
in the ref tag and leave the name tag blank. This is how it has been in
OSM
since pretty much day one. If a newbie in Europe puts a ref in the name
tag,
it gets stomped on pretty quickly.
The reason it might seem otherwise in the States is that the TIGER
import
didn't populate the ref tag, just the name tag, and a lot of the TIGER
import still hasn't been cleared up. So there's a bunch of
TIGER-derived
roads which have things like "name=County Road 23" (or Township Road,
or
"Co
Rd", or many other variations).
OK, I'll add that to the things I look for. As I said, I'd been
retaining it only when it's the only name, and I never added any new
ways with that, merely refrained from repairing that case.
It's encouraging that in this particular discussion, that's the only
detail you guys say I got wrong. 'ref' tag on the way for the
renderer; road route relation with detailed network and ref; never an
alt_name or name_1, etc. with a route reference.
Oh, and a further corner case: Are we agreed that something like "Old
Route 7" has become a name? It's no longer a ref, because Route 7 is
now elsewhere. It appears on street signs like any other name, not on
a reference banner, and it's the 'addr:street' of the houses on it.
Eeeh, I'd generally suggest tagging that as noname=yes old_ref=US 7 (if the
old route was a US route) to retain more information. Signing is pretty
similar, too, some places will leave the old shields up and change the
banner from a cardinal to OLD until the signs wear out as a wayfinder for
folks with outdated maps. Much of the midwest, on nameless roads that have
routes, just put something like "SH 33" or "Hwy 412" on the finger signs as
a low-budget solution to posting a proper, potentially multicolor, die-cut,
screen-printed shield and a double-ended arrow as is MUTCD standard for
such a case. addr:street still goes with however the post finds it. It
helps to know the local context quite a bit when trying to sort out how
local authorities cheaped out on posting standard signs.
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