Hi Joseph, I checked and there are currently 6 nodes and 1 way with drinking_water:fee=yes ... which is not necessarily a problem.
What would you think about "drinking_water:refill:fee=yes" as a standalone tag with its own key page ? I had not foreseen the value of a refill network which charged money before talking to Stephanie. drinking_water:refill =yes would be reserved for free establishments. Best regards, Stuart On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 16:11, European Water Project < [email protected]> wrote: > Hi Joseph, > > Yes, your understanding was absolutely correct. The current tag pair was > developed for the purpose of mapping free refill points. > > Your alternative proposal for drinking_water:fee=yes for establishments > which charge for water bottle refill seems a good one. > > How does one check to make sure there are no establishments with that > namespace tag already ? > > Best regards, > > Stuart > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 13:07 Joseph Eisenberg <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> My understanding was that the new tag "drinking_water:refill=yes" was >> going to imply that you can get water for free. >> >> "An establishment participates in a water refill network and will fill >> up for free anyone's (paying customer or not) reusable bottle." - wiki >> page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:drinking_water:refill >> >> So if a cafe or gas station will see you water for $0.75, that's quite >> different, and it would be incorrect to use >> "drinking_water:refill=yes" + "drinking_water:refill:fee=yes", >> according to your approved proposal and the documentation. >> >> But perhaps "drinking_water:fee=yes" could be proposed as an >> alternative, for places that only sell water. >> >> - Joseph Eisenberg >> >> On 3/10/20, European Water Project <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Hi Jake, >> > >> > >> > i strongly prefer paying 75 centimes for a ecologically sustainable >> water >> > bottle refill than being forced to buy a PET bottle filled with water >> > because there is no alternative. >> > >> > Whether they survive or not is for the market to decide ... the end >> result >> > is less single-use plastic... which is our objective... >> > >> > Best regards, >> > >> > Stuart >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 09:32 Jake Edmonds via Tagging < >> > [email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> Is it worth adding drinking_water:refill:carbonated=yes/no, >> >> drinking_water:refill:chilled=yes/no >> >> and drinking_water:refill:alkaline=yes/no, etc (or >> >> drinking_water:refill:types=carbonated/chilled/alkaline). Then fee can >> be >> >> based on which types of water is charged for? >> >> >> >> Personally I can’t see myself paying for still or chilled water, but I >> >> would pay for carbonated. >> >> >> >> Info on alkaline water: https://www.enagic.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10 Mar 2020, at 09:13, European Water Project < >> >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Dear All, >> >> >> >> I have been in contact with Stephanie Dick from Zero Bouteilles >> Plastique >> >> (copied), based in Arles, France regarding tagging establishments in >> >> OpenStreetMap offering water bottle refill for a small fee. Stephanie >> >> is >> >> also involved in Zero Waste France. >> >> >> >> The rationale for including establishments in a refill network which >> >> require a small payment is that they often need to add a cooling >> fountain >> >> or a fountain which offers fizzy water. Also allowing a store owner to >> >> charge for water refills is often the only way to get them to stop >> >> selling >> >> plastic bottles. >> >> >> >> I suggest adding an third key within the drinking_water:refill >> namespace, >> >> "drinking_water:refill:fee=yes" for establishments which charge a small >> >> fee >> >> for water bottle refills. >> >> >> >> The requirement to have a sticker or a sign showing the inclusion in a >> >> refill network or being an "independent" refiller is unchanged. >> >> >> >> If a tag is agreed, on our App we plan to differentiate between free >> and >> >> paying refill establishments using different colors. >> >> >> >> An example image of a water fountain in blue and a cafe in orange. >> >> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RxP8r-Vtl8nWFiCiZ_8wIWmo-ULb5fta >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> >> Stuart >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Tagging mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Tagging mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >
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