On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 5:42 PM John Willis via Tagging <tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > =path is such a horrible catch-all tag and one that is extremely entrenched - > I am surprised no one has implemented a path=trail subtag, similar to > sidewalk, so we can separate all the hiking trails and other “hiking” paths, > and then apply different hiking limitations you wouldn’t expect to find on a > sidewalk or playground way. > > Mixing trails and sidewalks in the path key is as horrible as mixing up > runways and train tracks in a “highway=not_car” way.
Yeah. But it's so entrenched that trolltags are probably the only way out of the mess. And sac_scale is _surely_ not the right trolltag! The problem with sac_scale is that it's an impossible scale. I'm told that https://youtu.be/VKsD1qBpVYc?t=533 is still only a 2 out of 6 on that scale, and that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y5_lbQZJwQ is still only a 3. Note that one misstep on either of those trails can easily mean death. Confusion on what to expect from wilderness trails abounds. Hardly a year goes by without someone from New York City driving up to do one of the Catskill or Adirondack trails, expecting something like a developed trail in a suburban setting, and winding up dead, from either a fall or hypothermia. This is a `highway=footway surface=ground`: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ke9tv/34048181 - a toddler can do it with ease. So is this: https://www.flickr.com/photos/65793193@N00/3183604743/ - requires good physical condition, a head for heights, and some technical hiking skills. Shorter hikers may be at a disadvantage. And this: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-oOi7vvpUt0Q/VJnktGwmMDI/AAAAAAAABoY/xYpcKlxPPqI/s1600/DSC_3880.JPG - requires winter mountaineering skills and a modicum of technical equipment (at least snowshoes or skis, ski poles, crampons, ice axe). -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
