On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 09:20:43AM +1000, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > On Sun, 31 May 2020 at 01:18, Tod Fitch <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On May 30, 2020, at 7:57 AM, Rob Savoye <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 15:46:31 +0200 > > >> From: Daniel Westergren <[email protected]> > > > > > >> *An additional issue:* > > >> 6. sac_scale is currently the only tag (possibly together with > > mtb:scale) > > >> to denote the difficulty of a hiking trail (that is, the way, not the > > >> route). But it's very geared towards alpine trails and there is not > > enough > > >> nuance in the lowest levels. > > > > > > As a climber, I don't think we'd want to apply YDS to hiking trails. > > > To me, YDS should only used for technical routes requiring equipment > > > (usually). > > > > As a Sierra Club member in Southern California (where the YDS originated > > long before my time), a hiker and a former climber I must mention that 1, > > 2, 3, and 4 on the YDS are basically levels of difficulty in hiking. > > Climbers really only work with 5 and its various subdivisions. Ruling out > > the whole scale simply because one level of it is dedicated to climbing is > > a bit much. > > > > OTOH, the Australians have a bush walking scale that does not, from what > > I’ve seen, include levels for climbing so that might be choice that does > > not automatically connote a different outdoor activity. > > > > So would we try & combine a walking scale & a climbing / alpine scale into > one, or have two scales? > > Two would probably make a lot more sense, with "Walking / Hiking" 1 - 5, > then sac starting at about 4/5.
.. and don't forget via ferrata's have their own scale, athough they *should* be using higway=via_ferrata - and climbing routes *should* be using route=climbing???? > Something else that I've just thought about & not sure whether it would > need to be mentioned - possibility of encountering dangerous wildlife? > > Yes, there are 1000 things in the Australian bush that'll kill you :-), but > none of them will actually eat you! (not even Drop Bears! > https://australianmuseum.net.au/learn/animals/mammals/drop-bear/ :-)) Same > applies to (virtually?) all of Western Europe, but how about North America, > Africa, Asia & so on? Do we have / need a way of tagging that bears (or > whatever) may be encountered while walking in this area? as most of the bears here should have a GPS transmitter there should be a live map displaying areas where they might be encountered (don't think anyone will release their exact position as it might encourage idiots seeking an adrenaline push or poachers). Richard _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
