Not until the page is finalized and accepted by the community. Until then, it is a draft, and it is frowned upon to mix such controversial drafts into the main namespace
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 4:38 PM Jez Nicholson <jez.nichol...@gmail.com> wrote: > > "why this page resides in the main > namespace and not in the responsible proposer's user space?" - it's a wiki, > we are generally a libertarian group, there are no restrictions on creating a > page other than wanting to be relevant. I personally find it relevant. > > On Wed, 16 Sep 2020, 14:47 bkil, <bkil.hu...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Could someone perhaps clarify why this page resides in the main >> namespace and not in the responsible proposer's user space? >> >> > Do not name individuals in OpenStreetMap tags, unless their name is on a >> > business sign posted towards the street, or part of the business name and >> > available in public records. >> > >> >> What if the name of the operator is printed on each receipt when you >> shop there or a certificate is placed on the wall that shows it? We >> usually add that to operator=*. >> >> Indeed I think that the article confuses mapped things that are >> worthless and mapped things that are dangerous (according to GDPR). >> >> For example, the reason why we don't map private washing machines is >> that its location and capacity is not information that is in public >> interest (hence why it is not a POI). Another reason that it fails the >> verifiability criterion: if I want to check that the position and type >> information of the washing machine is still accurate, I need to ring >> the doorbell and be invited in to see for myself, but it is not >> realistic that an owner would invite dozens of potentially malicious >> random people into their house just for this. >> >> Even if the object would be visible from the outside, it is of no use >> to 99.9999% of individuals if the owner does not let me do my laundry >> there. If a TV is fully and clearly visible from the outside through >> the window, it _may_ serve a public utility of entertainment if you >> can lip read, but you need to ring the doorbell each time you want to >> switch channels... >> >> Private parking and driveways are acceptable because it hints at which >> way the entrance is - helping delivery personal and guests alike. I've >> mapped some very interesting hilly terrain where this can be >> especially useful, as roads were pretty dense and the road towards >> where the entrance is was not trivial and a failed guess could cost >> you a few more minutes of walking or driving for each house. >> >> Private swimming pools aren't that interesting but people seem to >> enjoy tracing them. Maybe in case of emergency they could be used as a >> nearby water source by the fire brigade? >> >> From the privacy section, am I reading correctly that you suggest that >> you find it acceptable to map each tomb in a cemetery by name? >> >> I think a lot of considerations are missing in this article other than >> those stemming from the GDPR, like military and national >> considerations. You also do not mention that there exist regions where >> mapping activities are forbidden by the law and punishable by prison >> sentence. And anyway other than describing "what is worthless to map", >> I think you are trying to basically gather "mapping ethics", and maybe >> this should be better be done in Wikipedia because it does not only >> concern OpenStreetMap, but any mapping provider. >> >> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 3:15 PM Niels Elgaard Larsen <elga...@agol.dk> wrote: >> > >> > Mateusz Konieczny via talk: >> > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Limitations_on_mapping_private_information >> > > >> > > Do you think that this page is a good description of community consensus? >> > > >> > > The page has >> > > "This page is under development (May 2020). It may not yet reflect >> > > community consensus." >> > > and I would like to check whatever it matches community consensus well >> > > or mismatches it. >> > >> > >> > >> > I think we should avoid language such as "There is no need to split >> > residential >> > landuse into individual plots". >> > >> > Of course there is a need for someone somewhere to tag just about >> > everything. >> > For example, if you want to buy a house you would want to see where the >> > plot is. >> > >> > This is not about needs, but about privacy, and maybe data quality. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Niels Elgaard Larsen >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Tagging mailing list >> > Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
