In Nederland, the zebra is a very clear and specific type of crossing with legal rules including yield to pedestrians walking on or even toward the zebra.
I think this will continue to be the case even after Europe leaves the British Union. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op do 17 sep. 2020 om 20:12 schreef Matthew Woehlke < mwoehlke.fl...@gmail.com>: > On 17/09/2020 13.44, Tod Fitch wrote: > >> On Sep 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > >> On 17/09/2020 10.07, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > >>> On 9/17/20 08:15, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > >>>> It's also atrocious because it can *only* be verified by survey. As > >>>> much as we prefer surveys, the reality is that a lot of mapping > >>>> happens just from aerials, where crossings (both marked and, in some > >>>> cases, unmarked) can be seen, but signals cannot. > >>> I have mapped many traffic signals (and, for that matter, stop and > yield > >>> signs) based on shadows visible on the satellite photos. If you look > >>> carefully enough (Bing and Mapbox Satellite at least), they are there. > >>> (Local knowledge helps too in some cases.) > >> > >> *Traffic* lights I can buy. I am more suspicious of the claim that > >> you can tell whether they have pedestrian crossing signals or not, > >> or that you can reliably identify other signage based solely on > >> outline. *Maybe* if you get lucky and have a very clear shadow at > >> the right angle, but if you try to tell me you can identify > >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7695704414 (n.b. a yield sign) > >> from a shadow in aerial imagery, I am going to be deeply suspicious > >> ;-). > > > > Not from the signs or shadows of the signs, but in my area the > > pavement markings can often tell you if it is a stop or yield. Some > > times it is easy (“STOP” or “YIELD” painted on the pavement). But it > > seems that newer road work uses a different style limit line for a > > stop versus yield. > > Ah, that's fair; I was under the impression we were talking about > *signs*. Possibly because most of the yields I see are to yield to other > *vehicles*, not pedestrians. (I *have* seen "yield to pedestrians", now > that I think about it, but not sure I've ever seen *lane markings* where > it's clear that what you are supposed to yield for is pedestrians. Other > than crosswalks, anyway. Which... makes me wonder if > "crossing=uncontrolled" is even correct; even more reason to not use > that! My understanding was "uncontrolled" meant by traffic signals, but > now I'm not so sure.) > > I've tagged some yields based on lane markings myself, e.g. > https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7714853074. > > > Back to the original topic: I am not really sure what, if any, the > > US version of a “zebra" crossing is versus a “marked” crossing. So I > > usually just tag as “marked” as that seems to be the more generic > > item. > > Likewise. Even the wiki notes that this is unclear "outside the UK" (as > I previously observed). > > > The crossing you linked to *might* be an example of a US “zebra” > > crossing. Can anyone verify that for me. Also, there are no tags on > > the intersection node itself. Should there be? I have assumed that > > there should so that vehicle based navigation would have the > > information needed to advise the driver of particular type of > > crossing ahead. > > As I understand it, yes, and I've tagged that in other places (e.g. the > above example). I actually have no idea why that node is marked as a > yield; I don't think there's actually a yield there, but I'm hesitant to > just delete it (even though apparently I'm the one that added it). > Unfortunately I can't go survey it right now. (Have to try to remember > to do that when/if I ever make it back to that Cracker Barrel :-).) > > -- > Matthew > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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