The place tag (of any variety) is used to describe the name of that place.
A place can contain multiple different areas of landuse - retail,
commercial, industrial, schools, parks etc.
Your claim "a neighborhood is a subclass of residential landuse that has
a name." is incorrect.
To restrict the naming of places to just residential areas is wrong.
To use landuse=residential area to map, say, a neighbourhood, which
encapsulates the landuses mentioned above, is wrong.
It should be used just to map where people live. They don't live in
schools & parks.
In Britain I've been removing names from residential areas where they're
the same as place tags (villages & towns).
DaveF
On 07/05/2025 16:35, Evan Carroll wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2025 at 10:16 AM Illia Marchenko
<[email protected]> wrote:
Strictly speaking, "land use" and "named places" is orthogonal
entities. Don't mix them. Just use node with place=* and name=*
and area with landuse=* but without any name=*.
You're never going to get people to stop using "landuse=residential;
name=x". In fact, that would be a horrible move. People want to know
where the borders are when known, not just an arbitrary location which
could either be the centroid or just the "heart" of the area. Not to
mention this is the same treatment we use elsewhere: when you want to
label a shopping center, we use `landuse=retail; name=Shopping Center
Name`. In the case of a named retail landuse, there is no designated
`place=shopping_center; name=foo`. But rather than finding an example
that substantiates my proposal (which I can think of many), in what
other applications of OSM do we create duplicate ways for
"orthogonal concepts" that are semantically the same in the real world?
Not to grant your foundation though I don't get why you would say
they're "orthogonal entities." I'd like to see that explained. I don't
see it: a neighborhood is a subclass of residential landuse that has a
name. This is documented and in alignment with the wiki and common
use. OSM gets this right. Given the following,
* "this is residential landuse which *may* have a name"
* "this is a subclass of residential landuse that *must* have a name."
They seem *NOT* to be orthogonal entities to me. This seems to be a
unique case in OSM.
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