On 08/01/21 07:56, Austin English wrote: > On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 2:41 AM intrigeri <intrig...@boum.org> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> (dropping my facilitator hat for this message) >> >> intrigeri (2021-01-03): >>> So, my question is: >>> >>> What would we lose if we did not have any public chat room? >>> In other words: >>> >>> What new problems would we face if we did not have any public >>> chat room? >> I think we would lose: >> >> - some of our soul and identity, i.e. "we work in the open" >> >> - a place where friendly bystanders can lurk and follow our work: >> FOSS developers, users, etc. >> >> - a little bit of the efforts we've put into dismantling the >> long-standing myth that Tails is produced by some sort of secret, >> unapproachable group of anonymous people >> >> - a place where existing contributors who don't have access to our private >> communication channels can get a feeling of belonging, by hanging >> out with the rest of us >> >> - a place where we can meet new contributors, get to know each other, >> collaborate and build trust until the project is comfortable with >> giving them more privileges >> >> Practically speaking, my main concern is that the implied subtle >> cultural shift and newly closed doors would make the boundary between >> in-group folks and kind-of-outsiders even harder to cross. >> >> This would make it a bit harder to go from "volunteer contributor" to >> "paid worker" (such transitions are rare in our recent past, but there >> are a few noticeable ones if we look further back in time), or from >> "unprivileged contributor" to "full-blown project member". >> >> Finally, note that we already lost quite some of this when we moved >> from IRC @ OFTC (where lots of FOSS contributors hang out already) to >> XMPP (which for many people would require extra setup work). IMO the >> status quo, in all these respects, is not great. > > FWIW, as a former/lapsed volunteer developer (and still active FOSS > developer), I appreciated having a public chat that I could drop in to > ask questions of the devs. > > I would've greatly preferred an IRC option, since I more generally use > that. I only set up XMPP to chat with tails developers when I needed > it, but it was useful when I did use it. > > If possible, I'd love to see a public chat option preserved for > precisely the reasons intrigeri mentioned. > > In any event, keep up the great work! Hopefully I'll find some time to > contribute again this year :). > -- > -Austin > GPG: 267B CC1F 053F 0749 (expires 2021/02/18)
really shortly, I find also usefull xmpp chat for contact quick of tails devs, and because I like more than others 1000 newer instant messaging solutions. hugs ignifugo > _______________________________________________ > Tails-dev mailing list > Tails-dev@boum.org > https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev > To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to > tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org. _______________________________________________ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.