On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:04:52 +1100 Liz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 11 Dec 2008, Darrin Smith wrote: > > Actually you haven't. The pictures on that page are ALL roundabouts > > not minis by the Wikipedia English definition (none of them can be > > over-run by large vehicles). > That's what the apron's for. Would you like pictures of ones with > tyre tracks? I can find plenty.
I know I've seen dozens of them with tire tracks (heck the 3rd pic on the osm wiki has tracks! :) but that's not how I read the original definitions, and not how the pictures on the German wikipedia. In the English cases they mention explicitly that plants and street furniture (signs etc.) on the roundabout exclude it from being a 'mini', and the German photos back that up. The flat areas appear all over the place not just on roundabouts and seems to just be a modern allowance that occurs for large vehicles. It's impossible on any of the roundabouts that you've shown to pull an normal right turn, yet there's an issue raised on both wiki entries (from what I get of the german-english translation) for mini roundabouts in that people ignore them and use normal road manouvers. Can't see that being done on any of the cases in point. > > What's more none of the are mini's by the > > current .au definition, every one of them is wider than the roadway! > > Not so. I regret that you are fooled by the relatively wide angle > lens on the camera. > I personally guarantee that the last two are less than 2 lanes wide. I find that very hard to believe in the 3rd pick, lines extended from both sides of the far road seem to pass through the roundabout, and I'm guessing it's this roundabout: (Citrus and Calabria Road, Griffith). I've even taken the liberty of extending the edges of the two widest roads (which are in fact 4 lines wide in the case of the largest one, I can see traffic tiremarks down the centre of it in the photo) into the junction and the roundabout is comfortably wider that either road. (Yes it's a google map image, yes they could shoot me for using it, such is life, and the reason for osm ;) Wow, there's a size limit on the list :) Ah well I'll stick the picture somewhere people can access it online: http://osm.beldin.org/misc/image2449.png If I've got the wrong junction then I could still be wrong ;) -- =b _______________________________________________ Talk-au mailing list [email protected] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
