On Thu, 11 Dec 2008, Ian Sergeant wrote: > I feel the approach you are taking is wrong. There are reasonable > arguments to use a mini-roundabout tag in Australia where it is currently > being used. If you want to convince people to not use it, and to map using > junction, take the time to understand and address those arguments, and > convince people that the best way is the way you are suggesting. Don't > dismiss its proponents as lazy, or worse still as disruptive. Many of its > these people have been valuable contributors to getting the map done. > > Ian.
I'd like to second Ian's request for more information to be discussed. Darrin, could you please put up some photographs of the sort of roundabouts you are discussing. We may all agree that they are apples in the end. I have put on the wiki some information culled from wikipedia. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Roundabouts The Germans (in a Germanic way) have the definition down to the metre of the Mini, small and large roundabout. The Poms are the odd ones out in their definition of the mini-roundabout with the curious painted circle on the ground. We should not be making up the definitions of these things for OSM. We should be using definitions either from RTA (NSW) or Transport SA or other local authority. If they don't exist or can't be revealed to us then the work of people who write Wikipedia and have the time knowledge and inclination to research these definitions should be a next resource. If we have access to University Departments of Traffic Engineering; Geographic Information Systems or Urban Planning they may also be sources of definitions. I'm pragmatic about the roundabouts. Does putting 4 nodes on the map with a one way loop improve the usability of the map? Junction=roundabout has been seen mapped onto a single node, and then doesn't render in JOSM. It requires at least a few nodes and a way drawn in the direction of travel. I would like to draw the discussion away from the subjective "laziness". This immediately draws battle lines and polarises the discussion, so that we can't reach any consensus. I have put up sample roundabout photos consistent with the Wikipedia English definition, and am happy to view others photos and discuss further. _______________________________________________ Talk-au mailing list [email protected] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
